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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemmi1987 View Post
    come now, you know women just choose to menstruate right? ... its a choice we all make every single month til we hit menopause, we secretly love the feeling
    Well if we were on contraception we could miss the monthly party. So obviously it is a choice we make and how dare we think we should be gst-less when it is a choice.

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    The Pap smear thing is mind blowing... Another medical act to add to the list of things I get done when I go back home every year. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I sort of agree- if you are on welfare, why would you plan for a child.

    BUT things happen, and people get pregnant on contraception.

    Also, it's noone else's business HOW they spend their welfare. If they are entitled to it, they are entitled to it- end of.
    There are lots of families with a stay at home parent due to there being a child with additional needs. The carer payment is not easy to obtain but the children need extra support. Lots of ASD, ADHD children ect can not manage a full day at school so therefore 1 parent can not work due to having to look after these children.

    there are also disabled people who are not disabled enough to be on disability pension so get stuck on new start. they are able to look after a child but an injury prevents them working full time.

    or how about the parent who is taking 12 months off payed employment to retrain or upskill and needs that little bit extra to cover day to day living expenses and figures because she is having this period out of paid employment that this is the best time to conceive because she is already having a break from payed employment.

    There are many reasons why some women get pregnant while on welfare.

    I do think that everyone should have to go to a seminar on family planning as many people do fall pregnant due to lack of knowledge still and that contraception should be free for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    WHAAATTTTTT????? HPV doesn't cause all types of cervical cancers, I thought it was bad when my GP told me a year ago it would be moving to a 5 year test, but to eliminate them altogether?
    HPV vaccine contains the main 4 strains of the virus that causes cancer. But there are 100s of strains and they are found in varying numbers around the world. In Australia strains 16, 18, 33&34 I think are the most common. So the vaccine in Australia is aimed at those. But if you have sex with someone from overseas or who has had sex with someone from overseas then it's not so effective.

    The new test is a hpv dna test. It will be done 5yrly from 25-60 yrs to see if you test pos for the virus. If yes then you will be sent to a specialist for a colposcopy plus a smear if necessary. BUT you cannot just request a Pap smear unless you want to pay for it.

    Currently a conventional smear cos Medicare $16 each and is bulk billed. Thin prep liquid based Pap smear test is not Medicare rebate able and costs ~$50 depending on what state you are in. The hpv dna test currently cos $70-80 each depending on what state you are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    HPV vaccine contains the main 4 strains of the virus that causes cancer. But there are 100s of strains and they are found in varying numbers around the world. In Australia strains 16, 18, 33&34 I think are the most common. So the vaccine in Australia is aimed at those. But if you have sex with someone from overseas or who has had sex with someone from overseas then it's not so effective.
    Yes, but that doesn't mean sh!t when you personally know people who have had cervical cancer not caused by HPV. Looks like I'll be paying out of pocket for my pap smears. It's so not a risk I'm willing to take.

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    I just vomited in my mouth, what a vile idea, I guess I would be slightly less infuriated if he was also suggesting men on benefits were forced to be temporarily sterilised as well until they were off benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    Yes, but that doesn't mean sh!t when you personally know people who have had cervical cancer not caused by HPV. Looks like I'll be paying out of pocket for my pap smears. It's so not a risk I'm willing to take.
    as will I, my nan died from cancer down there, every woman in my family over 30 has developed cin cells, my sister got an all clear then had bad cin cells 2 years later,
    hopefully the drs will bulk bill the appointment so Im not 120$ out of pocket instead of the 50$ for the test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemmi1987 View Post
    as will I, my nan died from cancer down there, every woman in my family over 30 has developed cin cells, my sister got an all clear then had bad cin cells 2 years later,
    hopefully the drs will bulk bill the appointment so Im not 120$ out of pocket instead of the 50$ for the test
    and what is the fate of the ladies who can't afford to pay that? oh sorry girls, fanny cancer for you I guess. which seems very counter intuitive, as these are the ladies who'll end up requiring treatment on the public system anyway. seems silly Medicare is refusing to cover a simple and relatively inexpensive screening test yet they'll be forced to cover the cost of the public hospital treatment down the track where non-detection has led to women developing pre-cancerous and cancerous cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    and what is the fate of the ladies who can't afford to pay that? oh sorry girls, fanny cancer for you I guess. which seems very counter intuitive, as these are the ladies who'll end up requiring treatment on the public system anyway. seems silly Medicare is refusing to cover a simple and relatively inexpensive screening test yet they'll be forced to cover the cost of the public hospital treatment down the track where non-detection has led to women developing pre-cancerous and cancerous cells.
    all the things being targeted are diagnostic tools designed to discover medical problems before they become major, very stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    and what is the fate of the ladies who can't afford to pay that? oh sorry girls, fanny cancer for you I guess. which seems very counter intuitive, as these are the ladies who'll end up requiring treatment on the public system anyway. seems silly Medicare is refusing to cover a simple and relatively inexpensive screening test yet they'll be forced to cover the cost of the public hospital treatment down the track where non-detection has led to women developing pre-cancerous and cancerous cells.
    Believe me we've made that argument.

    Completely ignored.

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