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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaGal View Post
    No my point is that I think this is one where the doctor is influenced by culture/religion/opinion ... And possibly jumping straight to an aggressive option rather than offering conservative treatment
    Or maybe the doctor is giving a factual medical opinion and it's he parent that is influenced by culture/religion/opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Or maybe the doctor is giving a factual medical opinion and it's he parent that is influenced by culture/religion/opinion?
    Nah I disagree. But still it's so much nicer arguing with you @VicPark
    I accidentally found myself on an antivaxxer FB page last night. Such vitriol!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScubaGal View Post
    No my point is that I think this is one where the doctor is influenced by culture/religion/opinion ... And possibly jumping straight to an aggressive option rather than offering conservative treatment
    Or that, in fact, he has a Medical Degree, and you don't.

    BubHub posters saying that Dr Google is fine, as long as they are "smart about it". Are people for real?? Took me 7 years to just reach intern stage, then many, many years of training furthermore.
    It's just not that simple.

    Anyway, yes there are many reasons why a circumcision may be medically-necessary. If my son had phimosis, and I ignored it, or had a moral/cultural objection to circumcision, and my son went on to develop scarring and potentially pain/dysfunction sustaining erection in later life, I would feel very guilty.

    There are many medical reasons for circumcision...and the best person to advise you on such indications is a Paediatric Surgeon. And your GP is the first port of call.

    As I have said, I am not an advocate for routine infant circumcision. But I am an advocate for common-sense medicine.
    And that's what this is all about.
    Informed, educated medical opinion.

    Do any of you really disagree with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californication View Post
    This thread has gone sideways. People are saying we jumped on the Dr - someone show me where??? I've just skimmed and I can't see it on first page and then after that, things went sideways and other symptoms came in to it that were mentioned by other people. Not the OP!

    SAgirl said some thing like "I don't really want to go down the circ route, but what are the other options". She never said she wouldn't. Just she didn't want to. BIG difference. If my DS had ONE issue and a Dr told me he needed to be circ'd, I'd feel the same. It also sounds like there is a bit of history with the senior dr with her comment about if she'd known it was him, she'd have walked out.

    The Dr went straight to possibly needing to be circ'd. No mention of creams or other possible solutions. THAT is what concerns me, not the mention of circ'ing. When my son had the issues, there was no mention of circ. There was no pulling back of the foreskin. My Dr looked but didn't tug/pull/retract. It was "it's probably a fungal infection, get this cream, use it for a few days and if things don't clear up, come back". It cleared up for us like it has for many other posters here. So I find it very odd the Dr didn't say to even try that. He didn't give a referral to a surgeon either, so he basically let SAgirl leave with no treatment or options! I'd be in here asking for advice too in her situation.
    What is more likely is that your son presented with a different set of clinical signs and symptoms. Medicine is not "one size fits all". Different patient, different treatment.

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    Just in regards to 'Dr Google'...yes I'm serious. Obviously not for self diagnosis but it can be useful to give you ideas as to what questions you might want to ask the doctor, or, I have been told by health professionals to 'google it' before.

    Not all things, and in no way am I saying that google beats a doctor, but I do think that google can be a useful tool sometimes..like in my case when I managed to avoid completely unneccessary surgery by using google to explore possible options for my issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    Or that, in fact, he has a Medical Degree, and you don't.

    BubHub posters saying that Dr Google is fine, as long as they are "smart about it". Are people for real?? Took me 7 years to just reach intern stage, then many, many years of training furthermore.
    It's just not that simple.

    Anyway, yes there are many reasons why a circumcision may be medically-necessary. If my son had phimosis, and I ignored it, or had a moral/cultural objection to circumcision, and my son went on to develop scarring and potentially pain/dysfunction sustaining erection in later life, I would feel very guilty.

    There are many medical reasons for circumcision...and the best person to advise you on such indications is a Paediatric Surgeon. And your GP is the first port of call.

    As I have said, I am not an advocate for routine infant circumcision. But I am an advocate for common-sense medicine.
    And that's what this is all about.
    Informed, educated medical opinion.

    Do any of you really disagree with that?

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    @J37, using my profession as an example - there are good teachers, excellent teachers and terrible teachers. There are those who are up with current research and those that aren't. There are those who randomly just rub a family up the wrong way. I presume that it's the same with doctors. For that reason I don't think it's dangerous in itself to not take everything a doctor says as gospel, years of training not withstanding.

    I'm not getting involved in the circ aspect of this at all. And as I said earlier I agree that relying solely on the Internet for any information at all really is not the best choice.

    But, and this is going by the OP information and assuming it's accurate - can I ask if you think it's good practice for a senior doctor to make that sort of statement without recommending a referral or any further action to take?

    That's the part I can't get over. Like if I went to a doctor about a growth and they looked at it and said 'hmmm, that might require a biopsy' and nothing else before leaving me to it, I would feel totally lost and uncertain about what to do next.

    ETA my last three doctors appointments, each doctor (all different) has pulled up Google in front of me to get more information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    Just in regards to 'Dr Google'...yes I'm serious. Obviously not for self diagnosis but it can be useful to give you ideas as to what questions you might want to ask the doctor, or, I have been told by health professionals to 'google it' before.
    lol Ive had doctors GOOGLE info in front of me

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    My mum said she had anxiety. She stopped eating. Stopped doing anything. Just sat down and pretty much wouldn't move. Even though she stopped eating I made her drink milk and she kept getting bigger and bigger.

    I finally dragged her to the GP against her will and he gave her a bottle of Valium. Didn't touch her or examine her in anyway. Didn't do anything else.

    I talked with friends and realised this wasn't good enough. I then screened the next GP, before taking her to him. His question of "so she's suddenly developed anxiety at 60 despite never suffering it in her life?" Made me realise it was very odd.

    Anyway he wasn't useless, he examined her and did blood tests and she ended up in hospital for two weeks because she had heart failure. It was causing cortisol to build up in her blood which was causing the anxious feeling. She couldn't move because her heart wasn't working.

    If I had listened to that first GP my mum would be dead now. Every workplace has their duds. If I hadn't talked it over with friends my mum would be dead now.

    Of course people should see a GP. But we shouldn't blindly accept their word as God without doing some research ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    @J37But, and this is going by the OP information and assuming it's accurate - can I ask if you think it's good practice for a senior doctor to make that sort of statement without recommending a referral or any further action to take?

    That's the part I can't get over. Like if I went to a doctor about a growth and they looked at it and said 'hmmm, that might require a biopsy' and nothing else before leaving me to it, I would feel totally lost and uncertain about what to do next.

    ETA my last three doctors appointments, each doctor (all different) has pulled up Google in front of me to get more information!
    This is what I was getting at with my post. He didn't actually seem to do anything to resolve the issue at all. Which is not good enough if you ask me.

    Also agree with you that there are very good, good, bad and very bad Dr's out there as there are in all professions as you said.

    And I've also had Dr's Google in front of me. I think google can be helpful if you look at proper medical pages and not just take anecdotal evidence as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    Or that, in fact, he has a Medical Degree, and you don't.

    BubHub posters saying that Dr Google is fine, as long as they are "smart about it". Are people for real?? Took me 7 years to just reach intern stage, then many, many years of training furthermore.
    It's just not that simple.

    Anyway, yes there are many reasons why a circumcision may be medically-necessary. If my son had phimosis, and I ignored it, or had a moral/cultural objection to circumcision, and my son went on to develop scarring and potentially pain/dysfunction sustaining erection in later life, I would feel very guilty.

    There are many medical reasons for circumcision...and the best person to advise you on such indications is a Paediatric Surgeon. And your GP is the first port of call.

    As I have said, I am not an advocate for routine infant circumcision. But I am an advocate for common-sense medicine.
    And that's what this is all about.
    Informed, educated medical opinion.

    Do any of you really disagree with that?

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    Steady on, I'm not advocating people use google instead of a dr. I'm all about science and trusting specialist medical opinion.

    But as @harvs mentioned, you can get some pretty crap doctors so a second opinion from *another doctor* can be useful.

    I don't think anyone here has suggested doctors be ignored - simply that doctors are people too and may be influenced in some way by their practice experience and their cultural world view.

    There are doctors that perform FGM for crying out loud. How that aligns with the Hippocratic oath is beyond me. And male circumcision is one of those things with a long cultural and religious history that quite frankly I think flies a bit more under the radar than it should.

    Just like women are sometimes encouraged to go straight to a Caesarian rather than continue trying for a natural birth is linked to a medicalised understanding of birth, I think it's conceivable that a doctor could have a particular bias with regard to circumcision.

    Obviously, obviously I don't know anything about this particular doctor or this particular penis - we are simply having an interesting discussion in the abstract by now are we not?

    I'd be the last person to encourage someone to seek non-medical or untrained advice in fact it's something I say every other post on Bubhub.

    Am I pregnant? Ask your doctor. Am I in labour? Ask your midwife. Am I having a miscarriage, go to the hospital. Can I breastfeed? Get advice from the ABA. Should I vaccinate? **** yes and if you're unsure, talk to your doctor.

    But if your doctor is no good, and in particular for mental health issues, if your counsellor is no good for you - find another one and compare.

    Sheesh.

    And there I was saying it's more fun arguing on Bubhub.

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