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    Default No Jab No Pay Laws pass senate

    @Cheeesecake, I've got 4 friends who are anti-vax, one is a registered nurse, one a clinical nurse (both working in public health)one is a medical herbalist and naturopath the other is SAHM who used to be a public servant. They all have a pretty solid scientific education.

    The No Jab No Pay is one part, some of the states are passing No Jab No Play legislation which means child care, kindy and family day care can refuse enrolment for unvaccinated children.

    I'm also wary of the government taking away genuine informed consent, if you are coerced with financial means and lack of access to child care, you are not genuinely freely consenting to a medical intervention.
    Last edited by NoteToSelf; 23-11-2015 at 16:41.

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    I'm glad it passed. I have a baby in childcare and I work in the industry.

    For the children that may miss out on childcare now, it's up to their parents to decide what they think is more important if they can't afford full fees. Childcare or standing by their beliefs.

    As another poster said though, I hope dodgy daycare centres don't start up illegally.

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    I totally agree with it. Either abide by the terms & conditions to receive the benefits or go without (medical conditions excepted).

    It's still a parents choice at the end of the day. Frankly, you can't educate against "stupidity" IMO. Some people with proper education would likely change their stance & immunise. So to that degree I think more education would be beneficial.

    However, the hardcore idiots out there who've been brainwashed by other idiots peddling their unsubstantiated claims etc & who have zero qualifications I might add while sprouting their propoganda, are the one's who won't change their minds IMO.

    I don't think it's unfair at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoteToSelf View Post
    @Cheeesecake, I've got 4 friends who are anti-vax, one is a registered nurse, one a clinical nurse (both working in public health)one is a medical herbalist and naturopath the other is SAHM who used to be a public servant. They all have a pretty solid scientific education.
    See I don't get that. The nurses are obviously medically trained. They would believe you treat an infected finger with AB's and use meds to bring blood pressure down. They have been trained to value evidence based practice, facts and logical thought. Yet they don't believe in vaccinations

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    See I don't get that. The nurses are obviously medically trained. They would believe you treat an infected finger with AB's and use meds to bring blood pressure down. They have been trained to value evidence based practice, facts and logical thought. Yet they don't believe in vaccinations
    I don't know, we don't discuss it, they know I vax, I know they don't, the end!

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    I have zero problems with this.

    The reason the majority of people who don't vax is because they simply forget. I know when I'm stuck in baby land it's something I actually have to consciously remind myself. It was easy with #1 and #2 but I found myself double checking constant at the GP's with the last 2.

    So if this makes parents who would otherwise vax do it then great. If not then they don't get benefits.

    Fine by me.

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    100% behind it.
    As a parent of an immuno compromised child. .. the idea of her catching a VPD in her early years (especially when she was delayed due to surgeries ) was frightening.
    I have several friends who have babies/toddlers that are unable to get immunisations. This is because they have a syndrome where if they have them it could make them very very ill. One family I know live in an area that is known for being antivax, so they don't send their child to daycare ever. Or socialise him much at all.

    I know it's not going to make it a perfect world with vaccines, but I do think it was time for the government to make a stand about how important it is.

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    I agree with this and make no apologies for it.

    Yes, those opposed could put up a number of compelling arguments about governments taking away freedom of choice, illegal kindies starting up etc etc. However at the end of the day, the non vaxxers (excluding those with a medical reason for not vaccinating) are placing the wider community at risk. On the balance, I think the health of the population should take priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    No disrespect to your friends but I wouldn't call "medical herbalism" or naturopathy a "solid scientific education".

    I have a friend that is choosing to "homoeopathically" vaccinate her child, but then was more than to happy to have all the medical intervention in the world (IVF) to get that child. Go figure.
    I was referring to cheesecakes' post where she said a basic scientific education should be mandatory. I'd absolutely argue that a degree qualified naturopath and medical herbalist would have a pretty solid understanding of disease, anatomy and how to read scientific journals, more than non degree educated members of the public.

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    Default No Jab No Pay Laws pass senate

    I agree too, not only for the children potentially at risk but as an immune compromised parent that could suffer too.
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