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    I remember I first read about it in like a woman's day/that's life type mag. was one of those real life stories. I remember being shocked that I'd never heard of this before (was a few years ago but not more than 5 years ago) and the story always stuck in my mind.

    there definitely needs to be more awareness about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    It's also very hard to broach with families as a teacher and to help get children the support they would benefit from as there is such a degree of shame associated with it.

    I've taught several students where I would bet the house on FASD being at the source of their challenges, but you get shutdown so quickly when you bring it up. It's heartbreaking really 😔
    I agree with and comments like I've already seen in this thread along the lines of "how did she think that was ok/safe" only perpetuate that shame. (Not having a dig at anyone, just saying the shame is runs deep through society).

    The stat early on in the show, that 50% of pregnancies in Australia are unplanned was quite revealing as to where part of the problem stems from. With such a big drinking culture, women will be drinking while pregnant (and their partners/husbands probably pouring that drink for them).

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    I agree with and comments like I've already seen in this thread along the lines of "how did she think that was ok/safe" only perpetuate that shame. (Not having a dig at anyone, just saying the shame is runs deep through society).

    The stat early on in the show, that 50% of pregnancies in Australia are unplanned was quite revealing as to where part of the problem stems from. With such a big drinking culture, women will be drinking while pregnant (and their partners/husbands probably pouring that drink for them).
    I don't think it's anyone's intention to create shame. people are more disbelieving I think. that first woman on, Clare H, with the 10 year old: I'm a little disbelieving at her level of drinking during pregnancy as we were all well aware of the effects of drinking during pregnancy 10 years ago. ok maybe she didn't know about FASD per say, but it was common knowledge 10 years ago that drinking during pregnancy was a no-no. yet she still chose to drink. I struggle to get my head around that. for those that were told it was ok by their doctors in the 80s and had no idea, I just feel really bad for them as it would be horrible to be told something is ok by your doctor only to discover later on that it wasn't and that the doctor was wrong.

    whilst I accept there is a large % of unplanned pregnancies, I don't see the causal link for unplanned = irresponsible. fair cop if you're caught unawares and were drinking in the very early days as you had no idea you were utd. but I'd hazard a guess and say most women would find out they're expecting probably by the 4-6 week mark so to continue drinking past then, despite being an unplanned pregnancy, is just plain irresponsible.

    yes we live in a massive drinking culture. but it's also up to the individual to exercise some self control and better judgement. to blame "society" is a cop out. let's ban alcohol in case pregnant ladies can't control themselves. is that the way to go? Australians are generally seen by the world as a pretty racist bunch too, does that excuse anyone on a personal level from being a racist pig?

    there definitely needs to be more awareness about FASD.

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    Thanks OP for highlighting this story. I'm certainly interested in watching this later.

    When I was pregnant my GP told me he thought a small glass of wine at night to unwind was fine during pregnancy. I made my own judgement and decided to completely abstain.

    The guidelines say no alcohol is considered safe. I think healthcare providers need to get on board with this message, as clearly there are many who still say a little drink here and there is okay. It's then up to the pregnant woman to moderate their consumption based on this advice - an occasional 'small glass' of alcohol is open to interpretation by the individual.

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    before being utd, we'd regularly have a glass or 2 of wine with dinner. now I realize my glass pours are way more than a standard drink (100ml of wine for average 13% wine) and my "one or two" was probably more like 2 or 3.5 drinks.

    if you're not aware of what a standard drink is, and are drinking under the assumption of "moderate to light consumption" then you could be getting it all wrong.

    after watching last night, I have to agree that health professionals should be recommending pregnant women abstain completely. when they say "one wine with dinner is ok" they're not really certain on what the woman's interpretation/understanding of what "one wine" constitutes. it is far safer to recommend pregnant women do not drink at all.

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    I may get flamed for this but seriously!! Are people suprised? I know that u shouldn't drink alcohol at All due to risks. And I knew this from when I was young in the 90's.. Its not new news. Why would anyone think alcohol is ok? People cant be so stupid right? I saw a thread on here ages ago about people admitting they drank while pregnant and tried to make themselves believe it was ok no harm done. I couldn't believe it.
    Maybe im extra sensitive because we have trouble ttc but why anyone would risk their baby like that boggles my mind.
    Sorry if I offended anyone but it's just my opinion on the matter

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    I never drank while pregnant, as after having a mc the first time I didn't want to take any unecessary risks...even though I had my GP & OB both tell me that a glass of wine with dinner was ok! I remember having the strongest craving for beer when I was about 30 weeks pregnant, so I bought one just so that I could smell it, lol. But there was no way I would even take a sip. It just felt wrong.

    I saw the effects of FAS-D at a young age, and even then I knew what it was. My (now ex) step brother had the facial markers, and was diagnosed with all sorts of behavioural problems, inculding ADHD. He struggled so much in school, was expelled 3 times, never graduated, and was basically illiterate at 15yo. He's now a petty crim and unemployed. He's never been able to hold down a job or relationship. And I just always felt so sad for him Everyone would whisper about it "oh its because his mother drank so much when pregnant with him" (she drank heavily while pregnant). So they all knew, but it was something that was said in hushed tones behind their backs.

    It really does need more awareness, and I think the most important thing is to start with the medical professionals we encounter during our pregnancies as so many still give the advice that having one drink a day is ok.

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    I don't think it's that simple @kim85, talk to many people who will say their care provider said 1 drink a day is safe.

    The message needs to be much clearer that abstinence is the absolute recommendation.

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    I've always found it interesting that historically people on here are horrified at the thought of a pg woman smoking. Even cutting down to 1 or 2 a day. I've seen huge judgment of them. But then when drinking while pg comes up people happily admit to drinking a few here and there. That moderation is fine, that it doesn't cross the placenta that much.... but nicotine does? I believe it's bc alcohol is so ingrained in our culture whereas smoking is treated as disgusting and smokers are treated as pariahs.

    I abstain every time. Particularly with my last pg I had lost 3 and was so paranoid about losing another. I gave up alcohol completely (I enjoy one glass of red with dinner), gave up energy drinks, gave up smoking, reduced my caffeine intake to safe levels. But then given my past I'm probably completely OTT lol

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    I've just watched the program. Thinking about the age of the last two sufferers I can understand that perhaps those parents weren't educated about the effects of alcohol in pregnancy.
    I do find it interesting that 10 years ago doctors were advising that it is okay and that even today some OBs are still saying it's okay.

    As a mother of a child with a syndrome (not FAS-D) ... I know how important intervention is early on to give kids with difficulties the best start in life. What is upsetting is that children who are affected are not getting disability services. ..I presume because of the circumstances in which this syndrome occurs. What is forgotten here is that it is not the child's fault and that each child should be getting support and help as early as possible.
    If anything, this program highlights the need for this government to wake up about disabilities and why is it's important to offer early intervention services.

    As an aside. .the paediatrician in the beginning of this story has been super helpful in getting some support services for my daughter and her rare syndrome. He's great!

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