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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Nette View Post
    I think it was day 7 of the mice study, which roughly translated to a period in the human first trimester.
    Ah ok sorry, I thought they said 'day 7 of conception' not day 7 of the cycle. I assumed that meant the 7th day after egg fertilisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    FASD is caused by a prolonged exposure to alcohol. I doubt one binge session before you know you're pregnant is likely to do much, if any, harm. not saying binge drinking is ok at any time but FASD is damage done over a period of time. not one isolated drinking event.
    That's not what they indicated on the program though, they said there's key days where binge drinking on those days can cause FAS-D. Unless I heard wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    FASD is caused by a prolonged exposure to alcohol. I doubt one binge session before you know you're pregnant is likely to do much, if any, harm. not saying binge drinking is ok at any time but FASD is damage done over a period of time. not one isolated drinking event.
    I think that's the point of what I heard on the radio, that NO alcohol is the safest to minimise risk. Not to mention other "problems" that could be caused by the odd drink during pregnancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    just watched this. I'm horrified and saddened that FASD has been known of and diagnosed in the U.S. and Canada for the last 20 years at least yet Australia is only just learning about it. why!?!?
    @Turqoisecoast - I've worked in the alcohol and other drug field for a decade and we were certainly working on FASD back when I started, and well before I started too. Granted it still doesn't receive a huge amount of attention though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    FASD is caused by a prolonged exposure to alcohol. I doubt one binge session before you know you're pregnant is likely to do much, if any, harm. not saying binge drinking is ok at any time but FASD is damage done over a period of time. not one isolated drinking event.
    That's not exactly what they were saying on the program though. There was one study that showed drinking (in mice) on one day had significant effects on facial features. Doesn't seem like there is enough research to say that it is a necessarily from prolonged drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingermillie View Post
    @Turqoisecoast - I've worked in the alcohol and other drug field for a decade and we were certainly working on FASD back when I started, and well before I started too. Granted it still doesn't receive a huge amount of attention though.
    that's really interesting. I wonder why that is?

    I felt especially bad for the lady whose son was affected and feeling suicidal most of his life. she said her OB told her drinking was ok. to be told that and assume it's ok then find out it's not would just feel like the most unfair thing in the world.

    I also wonder how many people in our parents generation would be affected? back then it was acceptable for pregnant women to be drinking and smoking. surely there must be FASD affected people from our parents generation as well?

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    I'm sure there are. I do think the culture of women and drinking has changed though.

    The guilt would be crippling, it's just tragic.

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    I've only watched half of it, I'm really surprised people haven't heard if this. We learnt about it in high school. Will watch the rest tomorrow.

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    On the issue of FASD only happens with prolonged alcohol use: There was a govt report released a couple of years ago into FASD in Australia and how its quite a large problem. And one of the points they made was that although risk increases with the quantity of alcohol consumed even small amounts at critical periods can cause permanent damage.

    The report can be accessed below. Its quite scary - 60% of Australian women drink while pregnant and FASD is increasing in Australia.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...asd/report.htm

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    It's also very hard to broach with families as a teacher and to help get children the support they would benefit from as there is such a degree of shame associated with it.

    I've taught several students where I would bet the house on FASD being at the source of their challenges, but you get shutdown so quickly when you bring it up. It's heartbreaking really 😔

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