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    Oh and in terms of unschoolers, guiding kids to research topics they interested in, taking them to the library, playing board games, exploring nature, showing them practical examples in maths eg cooking, shopping etc - they are all great things but they are things that an engaged parent would do anyway. It is however no substitute for school and a good education.

    I cannot see for the life of me how a child who spent their childhood being unschooled would ever gain the critical thinking and analysis skills to even attempt an arts degree. Any sort of maths picked up along the way may be adequate to deduce the best value item when shopping but would fall short of the type of maths needed to attempt any sort of STEM degree at uni.

    Even if they don't want to go to uni and want a practical hands on job eg mechanic, a good education sets kids up for success in every day life.

    At best, it is setting the kids up for a difficult time in adulthood attempting to catch up to their peers and function adequately in society. At worst I believe it is setting them up for failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeschooling4 View Post
    Sorry, but you're very wrong. Many unschoolers have a great social life, they learn all about how to socialise with people of all ages and different walks of life. They can and do even learn how to co-operate in structured settings too. They can line up, follow instructions if need be. We don't just sit home all day not getting out in the real world. My kids do things like sports, arts etc.
    I think if you ever come across an unschooler (or parents who unschool) and said this they'd laugh at you.

    My only regret with unschooling is not starting earlier. The only drawback (for me and many others) is the constant backlash, though usually it comes down to not understanding.
    But socialising with like-minded families is different than learning to navigate relationships at school. DD has a girl in her class that is horrible to her and that obviously she hates. It has taught her conflict resolution, communication and self esteem to stand up for herself. Much like a work environment.

    It isn't about lining up, it's much more complex. The real world requires dead lines and critical thinking. You have to get a report done by X day. You need to get your sales figures up to X amount. While I hate standardised testing, it provides an environment to perform under pressure. You need to get assignments in by X day like you do at work.

    Unschooling may work in the first few years of formal schooling but imo it just doesn't provide the necessary educational outcomes needed to navigate life, especially for special needs kids. Kids with learning and developmental disorders need *more* specialised assistance not less.
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    I was wondering the same thing- very specific maths, science etc exams to gain entry to nursing, medicine, law, teaching - all of which my kids are interested in- can admission to these courses be achieved through unschooling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleriv View Post
    I was wondering the same thing- very specific maths, science etc exams to gain entry to nursing, medicine, law, teaching - all of which my kids are interested in- can admission to these courses be achieved through unschooling?
    they can, but it will add years onto the journey for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    they can, but it will add years onto the journey for them.
    During which process they will ask, why the bloody Hell didn't Mum send me to school like everyone else?!

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    Sorry, I'll get a lot of flack for this but there are so many narrow-minded, ignorant people here.
    Do any of you know any unschoolers or is it just what you've seen on youtube or heard?
    I'm sure there are those people who unschool for all the wrong reasons, but I can assure you I (along with many others who unschool) want what's best for out children. When we hear (or read) comments from people who usually have no idea how we're bad parents, our kids will hate us etc it hits a nerve. I've never said anything bad about people putting their children in main****** school. I love my children more than life and I'm sick of having to explain myself.

    Really research unschooling and look at it in depth. Talk to unschoolers, talk to parents of unschooled children, talk to adults who were unschooled. I've only mean unschooling for less than a year, I'm till learning, but it's the best decision i (and my kids and partner) have ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeschooling4 View Post
    Sorry, I'll get a lot of flack for this but there are so many narrow-minded, ignorant people here.
    Do any of you know any unschoolers or is it just what you've seen on youtube or heard?
    Of course you love your kids, no one has said you don't. But that doesn't mean the concept is a good idea overall. I've actually researched unschooling quite a bit and the more I do, the more I believe it should be banned. Homeschool? ok. But not unschooling. I have 12 months left of a primary course so while I'm no where near as knowledgeable as some of the qualified teachers in this thread, I also know the processes of teaching. And unschooling IMHO doesn't come close to educating kids to an acceptable level to navigate and succeed in the real world.

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    @Homeschooling4 genuine question - are there legal implications to unschooling? I know home schooling is done in conjunction with Dept of Education. How is unschooling treated by the government etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleriv View Post
    I was wondering the same thing- very specific maths, science etc exams to gain entry to nursing, medicine, law, teaching - all of which my kids are interested in- can admission to these courses be achieved through unschooling?
    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    they can, but it will add years onto the journey for them.
    I'm doing a tertiary prep Tafe course which is ONLY 6 months. The entry requirement was a VERY basic English and Maths test. You can obtain up to an OP/ATAR of 4/91 (2/98 with the STAT) which is exceptionally high and gives you admission to most degrees. It's definitely a very viable way of gaining entry and most people do very well although I would have to agree that it's not ideal. If it was, the government wouldn't pour so much money into primary and secondary education. Most universities also have their own year long prep courses which are also easy to gain admission too.

    Two close friends I made gained first-round offers to midwifery and another into Physiotherapy. A friend of a friend did the same course and is now third year med.

    It's definitely possible just not conventional. My neice is struggling at school (bullying etc) and I considered mentioning to her parents that this could be an option but decided against it because it's not my place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
    @Homeschooling4 genuine question - are there legal implications to unschooling? I know home schooling is done in conjunction with Dept of Education. How is unschooling treated by the government etc?
    You register your child(ren) as homeschooled. Different protocols for different states. We're in Victoria. Here you fill out a form and send it in with child's copied birth certificate. Then if your child is in school you inform the school that you won't be coming back. In some states you have to show how you plan on teaching/how kids will learn (even naturally) set things like maths. In vic you dony do this, though I have made a portfolio anyway just in case.


 

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