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    I haven't read through the whole thread but I was interested that it said 4 was "normal" weight. I think its probably borderline and leaning towards getting overweight. What was the BMI of that model?

    As for why people are overweight. That's a pretty complicated question but just my 2c -

    1. Education - not enough or too much conflicting information. I often see pretty terrible advice on here too - if you need dietary advice for you or your kids, see a dietician, GP or CHN. Not the internet, forums or fad diet books.

    2. It's hard to change bad habits.

    3. The supermarkets push bad foods at you with amazing specials. Very often I see chips, soft drinks, biscuits, chocolate, bad cereals etc on special for really good prices. It can be hard to resist. See also point 2.

    4. Portion sizes - it's so so easy to overeat and have our kids overeat. So many parents are anxious about their kids eating - how much they eat, what they eat. They load up plates and say "eat it or no dessert" - so kids eat it so they get dessert even if it's too much food. Adults don't need to eat a 300g+ steak several times a week. They don't need to eat carbs with carbs - pasta and bread, potato stew and rice etc. It's so easy to do and many do it.

    5. Drinking - as much as I like my wine, alcohol will help you stack on the weight. I think we also need to focus on that bad side of drinking too as a lot of people don't seem to know this.

    6. Restaurants and fast food - people eat out of the house much more than ever before. Obviously fast food is bad for you, but a lot of restaurant food is bad for you too - very often high salt and fat and lots of meat and carbs. I bet many people would consider a restaurant meal healthy.

    7. Emotional eating - this also starts young. If baby is crying - give them boob/bottle, if a kid is whinging - give them a biscuit, if you've had a crappy day at work - get the girls over for wine and chocolate. People need to find better ways to deal with feelings than food. This is also hard to do and it's also pretty ingrained in our culture. See point 2!

    I'm not sure what the answer to obesity is, but I sure hope the next generation is better educated and can make better choices for themselves.
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    Some people probably know exactly how bad certain foods are for them - how many calories, and how much fat and sugar they contain, but they eat them anyway. They don't seem to care about the nutritional stuff. As long as it tastes good, that's all that matters to them.

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    I also think unrealistic fad diets have alot to answer for.

    People think to lose weight they need to eat like rabbits, consume very little and basically starve themselves, only have soups or shakes etc and slog it out at the gym and for most its just not sustainable long term so they get too hungry, too bored and give up and end up back at square one.

    We need to eat normally and simply and watch portion sizes. Treats are ok, again in moderation, problem is so many binge / over eat. Its not so much what they are eating but more how much of it they are consuming.

    It shouldnt be a "diet" it should be a lifestyle change. Imo Bread is ok. Just dont eat it at every meal. Stick to brown breads etc. People try and cut all this stuff out and end up hungry and leads to binge eating down the track.

    For example i cant have a salad for lunch. I find it boring and im hungry an hour later. But if i have a salad in dark rye sandwich it keeps me going till dinner and gives me the energy i need.

    And we need to move. It doesnt have to be strenuously slogging it out at the gym, or an half an hour cardio routine in your loungeroom - but just move. Go on walks, play footy with the kids, do some gardening. Just stay active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    The idea of obesity being only about self control is so simplistic.It's also, I think, where the judgement comes from.
    If the solution is simply to 'control yourself', then those who are overweight are just gluttons. They could choose to be healthier, which would benefit themselves and society, but they don't. Therefore they deserveto be judged.
    It's bull****!

    We are human. Our brains and our bodies have evolved to work in certain ways which are very difficult to overcome. Our culture, our habits, our expectations and our reward systems are very strongly 'wired' by the time we're adults. It's not as simple as just making a choice, but figuring out how to overcome all sorts of psychological and physiological barriers to change.

    That's a huge undertaking...and one bound for failure in the majority of cases if you see it as simply an individual's problem. Obesity isn't a problem because we have a whole lot of people who are 'sub-par'; who lack adequate self control... it's a problem because we've created a society which, as a whole, nurtures obesity. It's a problem that needs to be addressed on that level if we're going to have any success.
    Best post in this thread and exactly how I feel but don't have the ability to express.

    I don't know why I eat the way I do. I am very well educated, know the difference between good fats, bad fats, good carbs, bad carbs, balancing a diet, the effects of artificial and refine sugars etc. I know how to exercise properly, I know what I need to do to stay fit and healthy. Before I fell pregnant with this baby I was body building. I counted every gram of carb, fat and proten that went into my mouth, and had the right mix of weights and cardio to get my body where I wanted it. I'd been doing it non stop for 12 full months. People constantly commented on how amazing my will power and self control was.....
    Yet I fell pregnant and despite telling myself I would stick with the wonderful routine I'd been on for a full 12 months (which you would think would by then be ingrained and easy to stick to) I've fallen back into the same old habits that I always do.

    I do not know why I do it, but it isn't simply a lack of will power or self control. There is far more too it than that. I wish I understood what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    So do I.

    I'm not a normal weight by sheer dumb luck of it - it's a combination of being very careful of what I eat (calorie counting - oh such fun) and needing to exercise 4 to 5 times a week just to maintain my weight.
    Good for you. You're not the kind of person I'm referring to, then.

    I walk 5 nights week and do 2-3 gym sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    You're probably a million times healthier than your sister.

    I am one of those naturally slim people (although I have a good diet and do exercise).

    I'm following this thread in depth because I want to understand why our country has become so overweight and therefore how we can start to fix it.

    My sister in law and her family and very overweight. All I've ever seen them eat is crap washed down with soft drink. Her kids are huge. She's the type of mum how loves her kids more than anything, she'd move heaven and earth for them, do anything for them - except feed them decent food! Why is this? I just don't know. It's heartbreaking, her kids will probably die young after watching their parents die young.

    I'm sorry if any of my posts have caused offence to anyone. I really just want to understand this issue more.
    Nope, not referring to you.

    I agree with del. I think it's great you want to learn.

    I live in an area that has a certain demographic/nationality that I am not and food to them = love. Despite the fact they know their kids are overweight.

    I'm in my lunch break and will have to write more later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICanDream View Post
    I'm not anorexic but have been underweight all my life and yes people think it's perfectly acceptable to tell me to eat more and mix in a burger to put weight on. As unhelpful as being told to put down the fork I can assure you.

    I hate clothes shopping, some genius designer figured if you are a size 6 you can't possible be 5"8 and that you'd have big b00bs which I'm an a cup!

    It's no fun being underweight either.
    That is awful and equally upsetting for you in your situation.

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    I have a feeling my thoughts on this aren't being well received, so I'll bow out. But before I do, I want to clarify the point I'm trying to make.

    I think there are a multitude of factors that contribute to why people are overweight or obese, but that these factors are behind the fundamental reason why people are overweight; making poor food choices and eating too much. I think it's a small cohort of people who eat healthy and nutritious food, eat portion sizes appropriate for their height and are physically active but are still obese because of a physiological reason over which they have zero control.

    My premise is that the emotional eating/boredom/lack of education/ignorance/good marketing etc are all behind the basic reason why people are overweight or obese and that is because they eat the wrong food and too much of it. I'm saying the physiology behind weight gain is simple, not the factors that lead to the behaviour. But I maintain that these factors are able to be controlled. And yes, in some cases, it's going to be incredibly hard to do so. But there are also just people who eat a lot and eat the wrong thing and don't exercise and there aren't any reasons behind why, they just do because they can.

    It's clear in my head what I'm trying to say but perhaps I'm not articulating myself. I'm not out to deride people with weight issues or preach that it's just about swapping a burger for salad. But I do think that for the majority (I'm guessing) of people, there is something that can be done to change the behaviour, and the physiological response of weight loss will follow.

    My apologies to anyone to whom I've cause offence.

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    Catalyst on ABC right now - on the science behind obesity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoralicious View Post
    Catalyst on ABC right now - on the science behind obesity.
    We've recorded it and will watch it later; after we finish watching the Great Australian Bake Off.

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