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    I have found two docos on this really interesting lately- The men who made us fat & Fed up. Both explain the deception used in food processing/ labelling. The cover ups and scare tactics that have all been used by the food industry. The USA threatened to pull funding to the WHO if they released a report showing how bad sugar is. So it was never released. Lots of secrets and lies go on between the government and the food industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CakeyMumma View Post
    I have found two docos on this really interesting lately- The men who made us fat & Fed up. Both explain the deception used in food processing/ labelling. The cover ups and scare tactics that have all been used by the food industry. The USA threatened to pull funding to the WHO if they released a report showing how bad sugar is. So it was never released. Lots of secrets and lies go on between the government and the food industry.
    Wow

    I was wondering if "Fed up" was worth watching. I'll give it a go tonight thanks!

    There's also "that sugar movie", about the danger of sugar. Australian doco too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Isn't that how people are being measured for this information though? Several people have discussed BMI and what is obese. It is used as a an accurate measure though. Just off the top of my head, women who are pg above a certain BMI can't birth in certain hospitals. Some specialists refuse to operate over a certain BMI. It's very much a universal measure used both with lay people and the medical community.
    The hospital/ Bmi aspect also comes down to many aspects.

    Firstly it's a whs issues, regardless if the person is overweight via healthy ( muscle) or unhealthy ( fat) means.
    Certain equipment is required to lift over certain weights as whs regulations won't allow staff to manually handle over certain limits. Not to mention equipment has been engineered to be of a certain load bearing and if a person is heavier than that then it may cause strain on the said equipment and it may not function, or fail.

    I'm sure as well the rule would be bent if bmi was caused by healthy means and they would find the equipment or specialist would perform in a hospital that has the equipment. It's a polite way of saying you're too fat.

    Risks associated with being unhealthy and medical procedures are higher, a medical professional wants the best outcome and if procedures can be delayed until the patient is healthier then that is a better outcome for all.

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    This is from WHO

    Hopefully it will help alleviate any concerns with BMI as a measurement in this thread.

    "Body mass index (BMI) is a simple index of weight-for-height that is commonly used to classify overweight and obesity in adults. It is defined as a person's weight in kilograms divided by the square of his height in meters (kg/m2).

    The WHO definition is:

    > a BMI greater than or equal to 25 is overweight
    > a BMI greater than or equal to 30 is obesity.

    BMI provides the most useful population-level measure of overweight and obesity as it is the same for both sexes and for all ages of adults. However, it should be considered a rough guide because it may not correspond to the same degree of fatness in different individuals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    Do you believe in the obesity epidemic?
    Yep I do. From eating too much crap and not enough exercise. But I also think that BMI is skewing things a bit. When you look back to say the post WW2 1950's, people were smaller, no doubt. But fitness wasn't really big back then. Gyms, bootcamps, cross fit. People were thinner bc they quite simply ate less, and less crap. But they were what Ashy Bines calls 'skinny fat' (I actually really hate that term but couldn't think of how else to describe it in a few words). Basically they were thin but not muscular.

    It's an interesting topic as while we've def come to a point of obesity which is dangerous, there is a huge fitness industry now too. I live in a small town and we have 3 gyms!

    I believe in healthy weight and good food and exercise. But some of the comments in this thread raised my eyebrows. It's little wonder people get so sensitive about their weight. And I have lost quite a bit of weight since my DS was born and I'm almost in size 8 clothes so this isn't, as someone above me unkindly said, basically just a fat person that can't be honest they are fat.

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    Take comfort that you know where you sit on the fat scale @delirium.

    My BMI is 25 and I'm definitely overweight 😌

    Anyway BMI is useful to measure fatness on a population country level.
    On an individual level body fat % is much better if you have access to accurate scales. Or even a good old school tape measure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Yep I do. From eating too much crap and not enough exercise. But I also think that BMI is skewing things a bit. When you look back to say the post WW2 1950's, people were smaller, no doubt. But fitness wasn't really big back then. Gyms, bootcamps, cross fit. People were thinner bc they quite simply ate less, and less crap. But they were what Ashy Bines calls 'skinny fat' (I actually really hate that term but couldn't think of how else to describe it in a few words). Basically they were thin but not muscular.

    It's an interesting topic as while we've def come to a point of obesity which is dangerous, there is a huge fitness industry now too. I live in a small town and we have 3 gyms!

    I believe in healthy weight and good food and exercise. But some of the comments in this thread raised my eyebrows. It's little wonder people get so sensitive about their weight. And I have lost quite a bit of weight since my DS was born and I'm almost in size 8 clothes so this isn't, as someone above me unkindly said, basically just a fat person that can't be honest they are fat.
    They didn't go to the gym but they certainly were fit. No modern technology to help in everyday life. Majority of households didn't have cars so they had to walk or cycle to get anywhere, there was no power tools so building a house meant putting your back into it.
    In the household there were no vac, washing machines, electric beaters, spray and wipe so mum had to use elbow grease and her own strength.
    Kids kicked balls and climbed trees

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    This is from WHO

    Hopefully it will help alleviate any concerns with BMI as a measurement in this thread.

    "Body mass index (BMI) is a simple index of weight-for-height that is commonly used to classify overweight and obesity in adults. It is defined as a person's weight in kilograms divided by the square of his height in meters (kg/m2).

    The WHO definition is:

    > a BMI greater than or equal to 25 is overweight
    > a BMI greater than or equal to 30 is obesity.

    BMI provides the most useful population-level measure of overweight and obesity as it is the same for both sexes and for all ages of adults. However, it should be considered a rough guide because it may not correspond to the same degree of fatness in different individuals."
    But it can't go both ways. If it's just a guide, then the stats we are drawing on in this thread are only based on stats that are a guide. As I said, I agree there is a real problem with weight in our country. But we are discussing how people are fat based on BMI measurement, then when pointed out it isn't really accurate then I'm told it's only a guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    I think this is why Australia has such a problem with obesity. People deny the stats, and have a whole range of excuses as to why they are overweight or obese.
    BMI is not an accurate measurement, but you only have to look around to see that there is a problem.
    I'm sure I'll ruffle some feathers with this post, but I'm not having a dig at anyone. Health reasons and body shape does not cause a pandemic. I understand that for *some* they are overweight due to health issues beyond their control...but honestly that's a minority. Busy lifestyles and bad health choices. They are the reasons we have an obesity pandemic.
    Ahmen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    They didn't go to the gym but they certainly were fit. No modern technology to help in everyday life. Majority of households didn't have cars so they had to walk or cycle to get anywhere, there was no power tools so building a house meant putting your back into it.
    In the household there were no vac, washing machines, electric beaters, spray and wipe so mum had to use elbow grease and her own strength.
    Kids kicked balls and climbed trees
    There is a difference between fit and muscular though and that's really my point. When I look around my gym the women are undoubtly *way* more muscular that a 1950's housewife that hand washed the clothes. I highly suspect the 1950's women could easily keep up on a long run. But what I'm trying to articulate is that BMI doesn't take into account build or muscle. I currently have a BMI of 27 so technically overweight and I still have the post baby jelly belly. But my size 8 clothes are just about fitting. The size 10 shorts I'm wearing right now I have to keep hitching up. That's not consistent with overweight. That's consistent with healthy weight with a muscular component.

    Anyway I'll bow out. I'm not being deliberately argumentative, I promise lol I just wanted to add another layer to this debate.


 

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