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    Thanks @ECM1981. I requested the single freezing because I'm only looking at doing single transfers. CFC's preference was to put 2 in the straw in case one didn't survive the thaw...but then what if both thawed perfectly. I couldn't discard a perfectly healthy embryo. Apparently they don't refreeze well. So I'd end up transferring 2 when the aim for me is single transfers. I had to do a bit of standing up for myself to get the embryologist to agree to single freezing, and they wanted to charge me extra to do it. However after they charged me an extra $2k for SD1's sperm I think they waived the extra 'small' fee for single freezing.

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    hi Everyone

    I am new to this, and actually am posting for the first time on any site. A little bit about me, I am over 40 and have just given up IVF after 4 very deflating years. I apparently have an egg reserve of a 30 year old which meant that every egg collection resulted in many eggs retrieved. This was the only reason I was allowed to continue IVF cycles at all for so long. This was also why I kept hoping IVF using my own eggs would eventually be successful. After more than 8 egg collections and double digit transfers I am no further than I was 4 years ago. I have finally accepted that using a DE is the only option left for us.

    I have been introduced to South Africa by a company in Australia called Donor Eggs Australia and have read on here that a number of people have been over to SA and used Cape Fertility Clinic. I was also introduced to a donor agent called Egg Donation South Africa to assist with finding an ED. Has anyone had any experiences with this agent or could recommend any other? I would be very interested to hear others experiences and if they used an agent in Australia to help co-ordinate the process with the SA clinics or worked directly with the clinics in SA?

    My partner and I are so confused at the moment and we just don't want to be wasting more money we don't have with companies who may not be completely reputable. Any advise anyone can give would be so helpful.

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    Welcome OutOfTime

    I too didn't generally have difficulty producing eggs, it is just that none of them made it to a BFP. You have done a lot of cycles too and gotten nowhere so DE is something that might be your answer.

    So, I used DE via South Africa and also used Cape Fertility Clinic. Can't speak more highly of them.

    I have done 2 fresh cycles in Cape Town - eggs from Gift ov Life and also from ABabySA. Both were great.

    Thirdly, I didn't use any agency in Aus - just went direct to both organisations. For me, there was absolutly no benefit in paying for an agency here to do what I could do. All the Cape Town organisations are very happy to deal direct with us Aussies via email and if you want, phone. Google, and you will quickly find the contact details. You can enrol online and get passwords to get a feel for the donor profiles and you can email any of the doctors direct at CFC, tell them your story and the Agency you would like to use (or they can provide you with their 4-5 preferred ones). Each doctor has a co-ordinator who will then email you forms and a list of tests they want you to do if you haven't already done them in the prior 12 months. It is relatively easy and generally about 3 months after you start the process you can be in Cape Town if you want.

    Also, I didn't use a Fert Specilaist in Aus either. I just took CFC's email to my local GP who did all the prescriptions I needed.

    The last spanner in the works is Immune Protocols. Do some research on Natural Killer Cells if you do not have any knowledge already. Lots of us over 37's need some extra help in regard to Immune Protocols. I don't want to overwhelm you, so if you want, have a look at this thread too:-

    http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/f...Cells-7/page21

    Immune Protocols are done with a Reproductive Immunologist in Australia, not generally with CFC. There is also a book you might want to get hold of.... http://www.babyfriendlybook.com/

    Overall - DE cycles are so much easier and 'nicer' than cycling in Aus, so don't worry about it just do it. BTW, I am now 23w with twins form my last visit and an Immune protocol. It is possible !
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    Hi @Outoftime – firstly I would question if you have so many eggs retrieved yet still no pregnancy, have you been tested for immune issues ? I’ve done 14 various cycles now and 2 transfers in Cape Town, only this very last transfer did I do an immune protocol and am now pregnant. The first two embryos transferred from our donor were perfect hatching blasts yet no pregnancy, and these two I’ve just transferred were the ‘lesser quality ones’ yet here I am. It basically consisted of daily mini aspirin, 10mg prednisone daily and a clexane injection daily on top of all the other various IVF drugs and supplements. I’m also on high dose fish oil and doing intralipids every 2 weeks or so (which will end up being 4 times at $500 a go).
    Regarding Cape Town, I think nearly everyone on this thread has used Cape Fertility Centre. Their in-house egg donor agency is Egg Donation South Africa. I ended up using Ababysa who were fantastic, but there is also Nurture, Sunshine, Giftovlife and baby2mom. One of these, I think it was Nurture, was a lot more expensive than the others, but otherwise they all seem to be very professional and helpful. You can just email CFC and tell them you want to start and they will send you the forms and info. You will need an obstetrician/fertility specialist here though to write you up the scripts. My FS was reluctant to put me on the prednisone and clexane but he knew that I was also under the directions of the SA clinic so obliged. CFC don’t actually work with your Dr, they will communicate directly with you and you then need to go to your Dr and either show them the emails, or just tell them that these are the drugs, this is the plan etc, please write me the scripts. It all ends up being surprisingly easy. They hold your hand very much through the process.
    The one thing I would be absolutely adamant on, if I were ever to do it again, is to go with a proven, young donor. I used a donor in Aus who was 34 and did 4 transfers with her embryos unsuccessfully so I was determined to go with a young donor (she was 24) and even though she was not technically a ‘proven donor’ she had a child of her own, so I compromised a bit on that. Just be aware that they will mark the donors as ‘proven’ just for having their own child. They may not necessarily have ever done a donor cycle so they do not know what their response will be to the medications. Its worth asking the donor clinics if the donor has done any cycles, and what their egg pickup numbers, embryo numbers and pregnancy numbers were. Then again, there are a gazillion unproven donors too and there’s no reason to think that they won’t respond well. I had just done enough cycles, and spent enough money, that I was not prepared to go with somebody totally unproven.
    The whole donor/ivf part cost us about $8000 and the rest of the trip we could have done for maybe $8000 but we spared no expense – having gone without holidays for so many years during this IVF saga J so we were out of pocket around $19,000. You could do it for $15,000 if you went tight. If you then go back for a frozen transfer you can go on your own and do it for maybe $3500. Depending on your results from your egg donor, consider leaving a sperm sample there just in case you ever need to do another egg pickup and your partner would not need to go back with you. I was kicking myself that we didn’t do that but hopefully that now doesn’t matter. Good luck with your decisions x

    PS from the time I started organising the donor, I was in Cape Town doing a transfer 9 weeks later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahli View Post
    Thanks @ECM1981. I requested the single freezing because I'm only looking at doing single transfers. CFC's preference was to put 2 in the straw in case one didn't survive the thaw...but then what if both thawed perfectly. I couldn't discard a perfectly healthy embryo. Apparently they don't refreeze well. So I'd end up transferring 2 when the aim for me is single transfers. I had to do a bit of standing up for myself to get the embryologist to agree to single freezing, and they wanted to charge me extra to do it. However after they charged me an extra $2k for SD1's sperm I think they waived the extra 'small' fee for single freezing.
    Now that i have read what you did it makes more sense really, especially when you mentioned that they can defrost in 2 hours. There would be no harm in defrosting 2 single straws anyway if you did want to transfer 2 at once. Maybe single straws take up too much room in the freezer? If this time doesnt work out for us, my last 3 embryos are frozen together and i really do not want to waste one but also triplets would be a health concern and i know that cfc doesnt like to do transfers of more then 2 so im in a situation which could have been avoided really! They could have frozen them in a group of 2 and one singleton. Its a shame im going to miss you in CT, im 2 weeks behind you and arrive in the 14th.

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    Just out of curiosity and to make me feel more confident about my next transfer, has anyone had there success from their 3 or 4th attempt using embryos from the same donor and same 'batch'. I will be using the 5th/6th (hopefully they both defrost well) so they are obviously not as well graded as my first 2 were. I have not given up on them though! But just looking for good stories x

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    @ECM1981 It's such a learning process isn't it. If a CFC FN (not my own) hadn't quietly whispered into my ear about the possibility of freezing single straws then I wouldn't have given it a second thought. I'm sure they take up extra space, plus the extra inconvenience to CFC of the time it takes to thaw them out individually if the 1st or 2nd don't thaw well.
    To be honest I haven't asked how SD2's 5 embryos are stored. Like you I suspect they have been split into 2 in one straw & 3 in another. If so I'll be fuming, hence me not asking yet b/c I can't cope with the extra stress. They were meant to be grown out to day 6 (when I was due to speak to the embryologist) but I think they were developing super fast so got frozen early on day 5 (one had already fully hatched).
    How disappointing re the timing of our trips!
    Is your aim to transfer 2 embryos stored in 1 straw on this trip?

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    We were posting at the same time! Not me personally but one of my ED's recipients was only doing single transfers too. It was her 3rd attempt that resulted in her BFP/live birth. I live in hope of replicating that success!!

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    Yeah i would have loved some company! Im going to be there for 5 days on my own. I want to do another safari but we cant afford it. Yes im planning on transfering 2, double my chances and also would love to have 2 babies even though sleep would disappear. A guy at my work was on their 6th attempt with own eggs when they finally got there bfp. It does happen and hopefully we become part of those stats!

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    Welcome outoftime,
    you sound like a clone of us we were unsuccessfully IVFing too but found out about de at ct through a nurse at our fertility clinic and jumped with both feet, and went for first time in late August. We went with sunshine which I would recommend but really CFC give you a list of preferred and we looked at all and chose out donor rather than clinic although only looked at local egg donors. Can also recommend CFC. There is lots of other advice avail if you read through the forum, but as you are looking into it and have a q just ask. The kind ladies here helped us with everything we needed to know. At this stage we are 9wk4days and have our fingers crossed
    Good luck on your journey

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