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    Quote Originally Posted by SixtiesChild View Post
    Australia has a humanitarian obligation to help them to the best of it's ability, taking into account the all the resources it takes to properly care for them.
    ALL countries should share the responsibility of helping. Many Australians are deeply concerned for the welfare of the Syrian people but are not aware that there are middle eastern countries that enjoy stability despite having authoritarian governments such as Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Quatar, Oman & Jordan. Should they be opening up their borders?
    Zaatari Refugee camp in Jordan, 2013. I read this morning Jordan has a population of 6million and they have taken in 1.5milliom refugee's. That's like Australia taking in something like 6million.
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    I wonder if the difference is that, historically, Europe/Asia/Middle East/Africa have had centuries upon centuries of displaced people, borders changing etc., and that's not taking into account the Romany people. Having refugees is probably more of a cultural norm across generations because it has been such a regular thing. When borders and 'ownership' (sorry can't think of the proper word - is it sovereignty?) have been so malleable throughout history I guess it's easier to come at 'sharing' land and nations.

    Australians in general seem to feel a lot more entitled to this notion of 'our country' that is being entered, which is quite ironic really when you think about it :-)

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    Couldn't agree more @harvs

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    It's all just so gut wrenching I just keep thinking what if that was one of my boys? What makes my family and I more deserving of a safe life over these people except for simple geography of where we were born?

    I get so irate over the 'boat people' propaganda by racists that say most of them aren't really seeking asylum and that were are being inundated. Statistically most ARE refugees. And no, in comparison with the world we take a pitiful amount of refugees in.

    What made me the most angry and sick was Abbott's comment (paraphrasing) that this is why it's so important to turn back the boats. Bc somehow that stops the deaths. No you imbecile they just die in their own country, either murdered, starve to death or from disease from lack of nutrition, clean water and close living quarters in refugee ghettos.
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    Apart from donating money does anyone know if there any schemes for donating clothing, blankets etc? I keep seeing things on Facebook for the UK and I've got plenty of old baby clothes etc that I could send but not sure if there are any schemes set up here.

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    After reading the story about Aylan, I wrote a letter. I'm not really sure what to do with it, or the point of it, but hey.

    Dear Mr Abbott,
    Tonight I did as I do every night. I tucked my daughter into bed, kissed her goodnight and left the room,hoping she would sleep through tonight. Please. Instead of waking up to imagined monsters, crying and hysterical. I can't fight off the imagined monsters of a two year old, though as her parent, her protector, her safe place, I try to.
    Think back, Mister Abbott, to when your daughter was a toddler and the imagined monsters under the bed came to call. How helpless did you feel, cradling a sobbing child to banish the last vestiges of a nightmare? I imagine you did as I do, rocked her, stroked her hair, kissed the top of her head, whisper it was all okay, her dreams can't hurt her, they're gone now.

    After tucking her into bed, I listed my son. Just ten weeks old, starting to smile and laugh and learn about the world. There are no monsters for him. For him, I am safety, calm. Protector and safe place. Like you. Like all parents.
    So I lifted him up, gave him a cuddle and started to read about the world and find out what's happening today. What's happening in the world today breaks my heart, as it does every day.

    Mister Abbott, when you effectively legalised child rape, abuse and torture, I was silent. I am ashamed of that. It will haunt me all my days. I will forever know I did nothing. I was complicit in these actions and it makes me cry. I carry this as a burden on my heart and soul, as I should. As all good people should. For evil prevails when good people do nothing.

    So now I write to you in the hopes you will learn. You will remember. You will remember that overwhelming urge to protect your children from monsters. How you know, at that moment, without question or shadow of a doubt, that you would go to the ends of the Earth to protect your daughters from those monsters. Whether those monsters be real or imagined.
    Now I'm sure you're wondering why I'm asking you to remember all those years ago, to when you cuddled a sobbing child and were overwhelmed, swamped by that complete feeling of helplessness.
    This is why.

    A little boy washed up on a Turkish beach today. His mother and father would have cradled a sobbing child. But his monsters were real. They weren't the imaginings of a child with monsters under his bed. His monsters were outside, with guns and bombs and angry shouting. His mother and father couldn't cuddle these ones away. I imagine, instead, they would prey for it to stop. They would present a smiling face, cradle their sobbing child, stroke his head and tell him it would be okay. And then prey that were true.
    And then they went to the ends of the Earth to make that happen.
    They died anyway, Mister Abbott. That little boys monsters won. His nightmare was a reality. His parents were tested and they did what all of us, who are so very lucky, swear we would do for our children. To protect them, to give them a good life, to make sure they are safe and loved. They went to the ends of the Earth. An empty promise for us and a cold and hard reality for them.

    So, Mister Abbott, while I know you can't end the worlds ills all by yourself, there are Australians who will help you. There are humans that will help you. That are begging you.

    You are a father not just to your daughters. You are in the privileged place of being a guardian, a father, to all of Australia. You have a heavy burden placed upon you. I'm sure you didn't know how heavy it really was when you fought so hard to get there. But now you are.
    You can make changes for the good of all humans, not just those born onto a piece of rock a few kilometers away from another piece of rock.
    They are human, they are frightened and they need help.

    It is your responsibility to save us from the nightmares, Mister Abbott. Please don't add to them. We will help.

    Regards,
    A concerned human.

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    [QUO TE=harvs;8283057]Imagine if the money devoted to military response had been diverted to humanitarian response instead?[/QUOTE]
    A heartbreaking gut-wrenching story.
    I'm sick to the stomach thinking of what poor Aylan, the same age as my son, must have been going through in his last moments. Rip bubba xx

    To answer your question, by diverting all funding spent on a military response to humanitarian relief you would have:
    1) a bunch of well looked after refugees with no hope of ever returning home because home would forever be in the hands of thugs
    2) increased threats to Australia and Western interests because the ratbags allowed to displace the local population in the first place have been allowed to operate unchecked (think Bin Laden in Afghanistan before September 11).

    Funding of both areas is definitley needed - I don't know where the line in the sand is though. I will however say I Nearly blew my kid just now when I heard on the news the NSW premier was going to spend billions to revamp Sydney's 3 sporting arenas because it was unacceptable Sydney had slipped so badly since the 2000 Olympics in terms of being the national sporting capital. What a first world testosterone driven problem. Now that money could be better spent helping people in need whether they be inside or outside Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    @SixtiesChild I have been awake most of the night so sorry for being dense but could you clarify your point? I'm interested in what you mean :-)
    To clarify my point;
    Refugee burden can't fall on just a few countries. I do think Australia MUST help but I would like to see refugees properly helped. Not cooped up and left to fester. They should be allowed the dignity of being productive etc....in order to build a profitable life for themselves.
    Also, by definition I take the word 'Neighbor' quite seriously and I feel that countries in close proximity have a HUGE obligation to their brothers/sisters that live close by ESPECIALLY if they have similar customs.
    It seems that Jordan has risen to the occasion and I would expect those other countries that I mentioned earlier to do the same. Not because this is how I want it to be but because I know that in neighboring countries it is closer to their own culture and therefore the cultural shift is less shocking for them and they can find more in common and feel less detached.
    Customs and language barriers that are too different can cause a lot of ongoing sadness -especially when customs are poorly understood.

    I know because my parents were 6 year old children when they became displaced from Europe. Even their children can grow up scarred. The horror stories they have told me are not unlike what were seeing today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    [QUO TE=harvs;8283057]Imagine if the money devoted to military response had been diverted to humanitarian response instead?
    A heartbreaking gut-wrenching story.
    I'm sick to the stomach thinking of what poor Aylan, the same age as my son, must have been going through in his last moments. Rip bubba xx

    To answer your question, by diverting all funding spent on a military response to humanitarian relief you would have:
    1) a bunch of well looked after refugees with no hope of ever returning home because home would forever be in the hands of thugs
    2) increased threats to Australia and Western interests because the ratbags allowed to displace the local population in the first place have been allowed to operate unchecked (think Bin Laden in Afghanistan before September 11).
    .[/QUOTE]

    I'm really interested in this answer, because to a layperson like me I don't see that Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan are better off, safer etc as a result of Western military response. I'd have to do some deeper digging to look at some other scenarios of course. I'm not talking about no funding for the military, that would be ludicrous. But the military response certainly contributes to the displacement of refugees, and I'm having trouble thinking of a 'successful' military campaign in my life time. (I'm not talking peace keeping missions and I'm definitely not having a go at the military here.)

    I'm also not convinced by the increased threats part. I'd be very interested to read some links that support this if you have any, because I think much of that is political propaganda rather than truth. And let's not forget that a lot of the ratbags, like Osama and Saddam, have been overtly assisted to their position of ratbaggery by Western nations.

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