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    My first 2 kids were good sleepers. My 3rd child is an appalling sleeper, although he is in the 4 month sleep regression atm. Dealt with them all the same, no sleep training just cuddles, kisses and co-sleeping. I def believe it's personality. Not that they can't be smoothed out, I don't think a bad sleeper is always a bad sleeper. But I think the idea that a baby that doesn't sleep well is somehow the parent's fault is rubbish. If it was purely technique DS2 should be a good sleeper based on the other 2.

    I personally don't hate on those that sleep train. It's just something that isn't right for me and never will be. There is a big difference between the two.

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    Just a disclaimer***

    My intention in posting, and I believe most others in their replies is not to hate on those who sleep train successfully or unsuccessfully (not aiming at you delirium--just liked your phrasing ☺️). It's just to make some moms feel better, that maybe their gut instincts are right---whether they sleep train or not or are going to.

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    I think some are looking at my response through the emotive glasses developed in other threads instead of looking it as a stand alone post. Understandable but not necessary - I am not knocking this article. I think it's a great article for encouraging keeping an open mind. And it was a good idea to post it (no nefarious intentions on the part of Holly!). My comments were more reflective of the fact I found it difficult to understand the actual in depth article - all gobbledygook to me - research papers are not my forte. I am genuinely interested if anyone can offer a layman' explanation of how the study was run as I just don't get it despite having two coffees

    Perhaps that's why the article sunk in a little bit, but not a lot. It has me thinking however I am still a big believer in the right mix parental intervention being key in a majority of cases. Apologies - I was unaware factors other than genetics were not allowed to be spoken about in this thread. Anyhoo I will keep following this thread incase anyone says anything that makes the article click into place for me. Education is the first step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    Just a disclaimer***

    My intention in posting, and I believe most others in their replies is not to hate on those who sleep train successfully or unsuccessfully (not aiming at you delirium--just liked your phrasing ☺️). It's just to make some moms feel better, that maybe their gut instincts are right---whether they sleep train or not or are going to.
    And you did good. And Sonja with her 15/15/70.

    Thank you.

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    Default New study finds genetics is what decides how well your baby sleeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post

    By 6 months, after bub has come out of the other side of the 4 month sleep regression, the writing is already on the wall in terms of many factors (environmental/habit etc). By 18 months it's almost at the point of no return in terms of entrenched habit.

    I am still a believer that in most cases (where a child doesn't have medical issues) it's entirely within the realm of possibility for parental actions to improve a babies sleep habits.
    It's this phrase that drives me and other people bonkers. Your insistence that EVERY kid can be fixed in regards to sleep.

    You are not a geneticist nor a doctor, nor a qualified sleep specialist (nannies need not apply) so there is no way you can spout your nonsense with any authority.
    @Tamtam has said in multiple threads how her dd has crappy sleep due to her genetic conditions.

    Many many people have discussed how their kids mirror their own or their partners crappy sleep. I know my dh has taken after his parents with crap sleep habits. Luckily the kids have taken after me.

    There are no absolutes in this world. And quit blaming parents for their kids. You wouldn't like it if I said your breech babies were due to you sitting on your bum all pregnancy long???

    wifey of hubby who is always away. mother of two girls who are always amusing.

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    The study actually found that 18 months is a good age to try and tweak certain sleep habits, that that's when babies were shown to be most effected by environmental factors, so obviously not a point of no return.

    I genuinely don't understand why, at least with this thread and article and intentions there continues to have to be a debate. The study didn't say not to sleep train it just said it found with *some* babies it won't matter. Nothing was negative to any type of parenting style. Seriously girls, why can't it just be what it is, a study to make some parents feel ok with their instincts or decisions?

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    This thread will only go pear shaped if for whatever reason people continue to assume the worst about other posters and continue to be too quick to be too sharp and too personal with their tongue.

    Let's keep things somewhat respectful and somewhat focused on the topic at hand.

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    I found this article to be easier to understand - and it's from the Harvard web site so it must be reputable right?

    http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/...ation-genetics

    I think it's saying severe sleep disorders may be influenced by genetics. And whether a person is a morning/night person etc may be influenced by genetics but also by other environmental factors as well.

    So I think this is along the same lines as the article Holly posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    This thread will only go pear shaped if for whatever reason people continue to assume the worst about other posters and continue to be too quick to be too sharp and too personal with their tongue.

    Let's keep things somewhat respectful and somewhat focused on the topic at hand.
    I give up. Now you are getting Sanctimonious.


 
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