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    @VicPark, I've always wondered whether you are a baby sleep trainer or whisperer/ or is it personal experience with your kids? I'm not trying to be facetious - just curious

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    C'mon VicPark let it go. Surely you can accept some diversity and variety in the world and that sometimes people just are who they are. Kids aren't robots to be programmed and moulded into the perfect creature and there are times that parents will just be hitting their head against a brick wall if they try to change them.

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    I think this study is extremely comforting to many and finally acknowledges what so many of us instinctively feel which is that every baby is unique and should be treated as such.

    VicPark I actually agree parent intervention can help some kids. DH slept on the floor of DD3's room last night and every time she called out he quietly shushed her and she went straight back to sleep. Fantastic. But I'm not about to say that that would work for the majority of babies. It just happened to work for her on the night of the 14th of August.

    This study isn't telling parents they should rejoice if they have bad sleepers. Maybe it just might make them not be so hard on themselves.

    And unless Tizzie Hall herself comes out and says sleep training is bunk I doubt your views VicPark will ever change.

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    What I find fascinating is that when I come into thread. ...about sleep. .and share how I can see first hand that genetics have played a role for us. .I'm ignored and dismissed by a few people.
    Gosh I find it frustrating @VicPark that somehow you are all knowing on this subject.

    I'm certainly not. .but having been to several Drs...paediatricians...geneticists and even a sleep Dr...a proper sleep Dr...one who has a medical degree in sleep and respiratory medicine... I think I have a bit to say on this topic.

    It's not as black and white as parents not helping promote sleep. There's so many factors at play. .that yes. .at times it most certainly can be genetics. If not ... then all the Dr's I've seen with DD are full of crap.

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    I wouldn't say it debunks sleep training...

    It's just another thing to consider when trying to work on your child's sleeping habits (or deciding to just let them be).

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    In my opinion, it's absolutely an individual thing.. So many variables- temperament of bub etc. my DD came out of the womb wide eyed & alert & has remained that way.. She will fight sleep like a trooper

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I wouldn't say it debunks sleep training...

    It's just another thing to consider when trying to work on your child's sleeping habits (or deciding to just let them be).
    Sorry didn't mean to thank.

    I agree somewhat only to those extent the training is tailored for the individual baby. Which the majority of times it isn't.

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    Honestly it seems like this sleeping issue is the new 'formula v breast' debate that took over the hub back when I joined in 2008. It's getting to be a joke.

    To be told again and again that parents are causing sleep issues is akin to blaming mums for not trying hard enough to breastfeed.

    Have to wonder how the view is from up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    By 18 months it's almost at the point of no return in terms of entrenched habit.
    Yep, coz I know SO many adults who still breastfeed to sleep with their mummas.

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    You know guys (general--not singling anyone out). I did my best to post the article (which clearly has a link to the study included within it) without any inflammatory statements that would lead to any type of horrid debate again, but I will clarify that my intention in posting was to help people feel better. I would have thought with the recent vibe on sleep threads that would have been easily assumed. The article and study state, that yes, sleep training will work for some---BUT not all---because some babies are genetically wired to wake. I'm sure there will be more studies on the topic but the findings seem to agree with what I've read by other proper experts (ie people with PhDs, not nannies that write books) and also like what Sonja stated, what sleep clinics claim 15/15/70.

    I think a study that finds that CC or CIO will not work for some babies is important because most of the sleep books flat out claim that if their technique isn't working then you are doing it wrong or giving up too early. That's a dangerous blanket statement to make to a new, exhausted mother who's gut is telling her that the crying is doing more harm than good.

    One of my gentler books (no crying lots of patting) claimed the same. I spent hours patting a 10 week DS back to sleep after a 45 min sleep cycle---he would just stare up at me like 'wtf are you doing lady?' While I got more and more annoyed that he would not fall back to sleep.

    Whether you agree or not, studies like this are important for some parent's mental health so let's not let this thread turn into the other. It's unnecessary and pointless.

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