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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Ok if it wasn't clear. If you are not prepared to open your mind on this topic stay out of it.

    Hopefully we are all clear now.
    I will stay out of it if you and the others stop dragging me in. Remove my words from your OP and stop quoting me and I will stay out. Sound good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Ok if it wasn't clear. If you are not prepared to open your mind on this topic stay out of it.

    Hopefully we are all clear now.
    All clear. Now that we are all clear on that - from now on if someone asks for advice on how to get their baby to sleep through the night or heck even sleep better than 2 40 minute catnaps and waking 6 time every single night and they ask how to do controlled crying or use xyz method, everyone who doesn't agree with it better stay out if it if they're never going to agree with it.

    So when they do go in and say anything negative about sleep training or controlled crying at all (eg just go with the flow or don't worry about routines or co sleep or just keep feeding to sleep or stop treating your child like a robot blah blah blah) I'll remind them of this rule.... Just so there's no more double standards on BH.

    PS expecting VP to change her views to yours is like asking Rose and Aurelia to let her children Cry It Out.... NEVER going to happen!
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    Another parent of 2 who had their sleep challenges yet being perfectly healthy children. Not just with this topic but in ANY topic relating to caring for little 'uns, any time I ever read a statement that states "if you do X then Y will happen" I start to twitch. That's including statements from other parents or alleged experts.

    I thought DS had his challenges in getting to sleep and staying asleep. There were many nights when DH would drive him around in the middle of the night so he would get back to sleep (visualise a fed-up man in his jarmies driving around his toddler son at 2am). We have been serenaded by The Wiggles more times than I care to remember (DS in our bed, DVD on to distract DS whilst we slept.) He was a catnapper during the day and didn't sleep the whole night in his bed until he was 4.5. As a baby and toddler he was fascinated by what was going on around him that he just didn't want to close his eyes!

    Then came DD...
    She didn't do sleep, sleep was for the weak and feeble!! 2 x 15 minute naps at random points through the day was her standard. Regular night wakings until she was about 2.5 together with lots of other high-maintenance requirements.

    Both kids had every variation of swaddling, dummies, feeding, rocking, white noise, etc to help them sleep. Occasionally something might work once or twice. Strategies to get more sleep (eg co-sleep) or manage the day better were far more helpful than suggestions that my children had underlying health issues or that I was missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    All clear. Now that we are all clear on that - from now on if someone asks for advice on how to get their baby to sleep through the night or heck even sleep better than 2 40 minute catnaps and waking 6 time every single night and they ask how to do controlled crying or use xyz method, everyone who doesn't agree with it better stay out if it if they're never going to agree with it.

    So when they do go in and say anything negative about sleep training or controlled crying at all (eg just go with the flow or don't worry about routines or co sleep or just keep feeding to sleep or stop treating your child like a robot blah blah blah) I'll remind them of this rule.... Just so there's no more double standards on BH.

    PS expecting VP to change her views to yours is like asking Rose and Aurelia to let her children Cry It Out.... NEVER going to happen!
    Didn't ever expect her to change her mind.

    It did result in her admitting her 95% stat is made up. That's something.

    And these aren't BH rules.

    Ok my stay back in BH land has been short and sweet.

    Good luck everyone I'm over and out (again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveLivesHere View Post
    @mods can we please have a positive section for support for parents of children who do not sleep through.
    There is a sticky thread "Sleep Vents", which is a support thread for parents of reluctant sleepers and there are pro and anti CC sections. Do any of those suit?

    Cheers

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    No I don't think those threads are what we are looking for. "Sleep vents" was one thread whereas I think we were looking for a general section.

    And anti-CC to me is too negative. There is more to sleep training than CC and it just seems to be a broader topic than that.

    I'll see if others have a view. I'm all a bit over it to be honest so am happy to go with a majority.

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    I was going to suggest a 'discuss it section' where people can discuss research and studies and professional blogs etc and everyone agrees to leave emotions at the door and talk about it maturely.

    It is difficult, as me for example I've not used controlled crying or CIO, or the Tizzie Hall method as sleep training methods, but I do believe there is nothing wrong with those methods and understand why parents do use them. But I do believe in sleep training so I fall in the middle of the 'sleep debate' but I find the general sleep section to still turn into an emotional debate section, so as I mentioned I think a non-emotional discuss it section for people who are passionate about sleep can talk about it and new parents who don't know what type of parents they are yet, or aren't sure what to do about their babies 'poor sleep' to get an idea of both sides of the coin, but who don't want to read people getting snarky at each other IYKWIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod-xkwzit View Post
    There is a sticky thread "Sleep Vents", which is a support thread for parents of reluctant sleepers and there are pro and anti CC sections. Do any of those suit?

    Cheers
    Sleep vent is a place to 'vent' about sleeping issues, i.e. you're really unhappy about it. And the pro and anti CC areas are very specifically about that particular practice.

    I think posters were enquiring about a thread for parents of non sleepers who accept their kids don't sleep well and would like to support each other so they don't feel so alone and ostracised, rather than vent about it, or discuss the pros and cons of sleep training. Somewhere they don't have to constantly justify their night parenting and be made to feel 'broken'. I'm not sure what you'd name such a thread though.

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