With respect, there has been ego shown on both sides. Everyone is trying to be right, trying to get others to see their POV, it can't be limited to just VP et al (including me).
@Sonja also stated clearly that it wasn't a debate thread in her OP. Robust discussion, debate, potato, potato.
To be fair I and others here have engaged with you so I understand why you have kept posting here, I'm just not convinced on the whole misinterpreting the thread thing. I know you wouldn't be sleep deprived and didn't read OP closely :-p
Anyway, I think misskitty has made a great suggestion, I'm all for cleaning and stickying and safe placeing. I think this is an important thread.
I think that a similar thread saying that sleep training is ok might save another womans life and that is what's important.
What I dislike is others encroaching on the attempt to create a safe space and this goes both ways of course.
I'm honestly not trying to be right. I'm trying to be fair
And one final note on the point of this thread. Even if it wasn't patently clear from the OP surely the number of people who have posted in the past 24 hours to share war stories and take comfort from the company of others should guide what the thread is about? Otherwise what is the point in sharing if you only get told if you just try a little bit harder you can fix it.
And isn't this a bit like the thread started a while back about whether people regret having children? No one there wanted to be told everything would be ok and they would feel better one day.
I just see them as very similar.
Last edited by Sonja; 11-08-2015 at 23:14.
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