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    Default Pathological Demand Avoidance

    Has anyone heard of Pathological Demand Avoidance?

    I've been watching a show on foxtel called Born Naughty, where medical experts assess 'naughty' kids to determine if there are medical reasons - autism, anxiety etc for them being 'naughty' of if the kids just need different / better parenting.

    I've found it soooo interesting. It does seem obvious from the start which kids are naughty due to no or wrong discipline and which may have underlying issues.

    But they've said that pathological demand avoidance is a new 'type' of autism.

    I guess I've just never heard of it before and wonder what other people's experience of it is.

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    I've never heard of it but would love to learn what it is etc.

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    Ok I'm going to sound like my father here but "pathological demand avoidance" as a new type of autism? I feel like it's stretching a bit tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Ok I'm going to sound like my father here but "pathological demand avoidance" as a new type of autism? I feel like it's stretching a bit tbh.
    Its a sub type http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autis...avoidance.aspx

    Anyone with ASD kids heard of this? Maybe it's more of a UK thing with diagnosing ASD??

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    Its a sub type http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autis...avoidance.aspx

    Anyone with ASD kids heard of this? Maybe it's more of a UK thing with diagnosing ASD??
    Yes i have heard about but not much as it seems to be a very small subset.

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    I've been watching the show too, and have heard of PDA before but it was put into better context watching the show.
    I myself have a very difficult child, probably bad enough to be on the show, and we've just gone through a thorough OT and Developmental Paed assessment, where both have informally (too young to be formally diagnosed) diagnosed him with ADHD, but I'm just not convinced.
    I think that a lot of the behaviour I see from my son and on the show are perfectly normal for their age and personalities and maybe we as adults are expecting too much from our children?
    We've had countless meetings with my sons teacher about his behaviour in kindy and she is actually the reason we proceeded with the assessments, and honestly, I just wonder if she's never dealt with a defiant, intelligent and stubborn 4 year old before?
    Im the first to admit that DS is "challenging", but aren't most 4 year olds.
    I guess what I'm saying is, it's all nice to have a diagnosis to explain away your child's bad behaviour, but that's what I think my sons is, just bad behaviour that needs to be disciplined by me and DH.
    ASD is a whole other ball game though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadSci View Post
    I've been watching the show too, and have heard of PDA before but it was put into better context watching the show.
    I myself have a very difficult child, probably bad enough to be on the show, and we've just gone through a thorough OT and Developmental Paed assessment, where both have informally (too young to be formally diagnosed) diagnosed him with ADHD, but I'm just not convinced.
    I think that a lot of the behaviour I see from my son and on the show are perfectly normal for their age and personalities and maybe we as adults are expecting too much from our children?
    We've had countless meetings with my sons teacher about his behaviour in kindy and she is actually the reason we proceeded with the assessments, and honestly, I just wonder if she's never dealt with a defiant, intelligent and stubborn 4 year old before?
    Im the first to admit that DS is "challenging", but aren't most 4 year olds.
    I guess what I'm saying is, it's all nice to have a diagnosis to explain away your child's bad behaviour, but that's what I think my sons is, just bad behaviour that needs to be disciplined by me and DH.
    ASD is a whole other ball game though.
    Well said.

    I read the link A-Squared posted and actually found myself nodding along thinking about my DD2 who is now 6. She displays some of the characteristics (but not all). but is an extremely anxious child so it's not surprising. She can also be deeply antisocial and defiant, but is also profoundly gifted, which can be a part of that as well. I would also say she can have a Jekyll and Hyde personality and it's alarming how quickly she can move between them.

    But she is one of 4 children and dh and I are extremely strict with her as her behaviour is deeply felt by her siblings (particularly her rejection of them at times) and I don't want her isolating herself.

    I guess I'm just not sure how I feel about these labels for kids. I genuinely feel with DD2 her issues are a part of her anxiety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadSci View Post
    I've been watching the show too, and have heard of PDA before but it was put into better context watching the show.
    I myself have a very difficult child, probably bad enough to be on the show, and we've just gone through a thorough OT and Developmental Paed assessment, where both have informally (too young to be formally diagnosed) diagnosed him with ADHD, but I'm just not convinced.
    I think that a lot of the behaviour I see from my son and on the show are perfectly normal for their age and personalities and maybe we as adults are expecting too much from our children?
    We've had countless meetings with my sons teacher about his behaviour in kindy and she is actually the reason we proceeded with the assessments, and honestly, I just wonder if she's never dealt with a defiant, intelligent and stubborn 4 year old before?
    Im the first to admit that DS is "challenging", but aren't most 4 year olds.
    I guess what I'm saying is, it's all nice to have a diagnosis to explain away your child's bad behaviour, but that's what I think my sons is, just bad behaviour that needs to be disciplined by me and DH.
    ASD is a whole other ball game though.
    No i dont think all 4 year olds are like that. If the teacher is saying there is a problem...there probably is. Im guessing she spends a lot of time with 4 year olds so would know what they are typically like. If you think it is bad behaviour that you need to deal with...then maybe deal with it as it seems to be causing issues for the teacher and possibly also effecting all the other children in the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennelly View Post
    No i dont think all 4 year olds are like that. If the teacher is saying there is a problem...there probably is. Im guessing she spends a lot of time with 4 year olds so would know what they are typically like. If you think it is bad behaviour that you need to deal with...then maybe deal with it as it seems to be causing issues for the teacher and possibly also effecting all the other children in the class.
    I don't think she was saying all 4 year olds are like that, just that they can be challenging.

    And I took from her post that she and her DH are dealing with it.

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    I just wanted to add my 2 cents in on labels for kids.

    Honestly the best thing for most kids are labels. Simply because with a label you get help. Without a label you get nothing.

    Never underestimate the help.

    Help

    Difference services like ot speech physio etc....
    Early intervention teams
    Special need therapy tools
    Than there is in school help
    Aide time
    Special needs class or tutoring
    Extra time doing tests.

    The best thing for my kids was a label. I really regret allowing a teacher to convince me not to get ds1 tested earlier because labels were bad. I will always have deal with that deep guilt.
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