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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I like the taste of nice wines - especially its paired well with the a meal.
    I like the taste of some ciders.
    I like the taste of those delicious fruity cocktails.
    Same reason here. I only drink water at home. Once a month or so I will add some diet cordial to it (woo, go me!) so when I go out for a nice meal, it's lovely to have something a bit different.
    A nice wine or if its hot a really cold beer is exciting when I usually just have water.

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    I agree with some of the recent posts. We don't drink at home really but once every couple of months if I'm lucky enough to get to go to dinner or lunch with friends or to dinner with DH I will have a glass of wine - and drive home at the end of the meal. The idea that this is irresponsible and putting my own selfishness and dependence on alcohol above the greater good of society is laughable. Yes, I'm paraphrasing and hyperbolising perhaps but that's the gist of some of the arguments here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyW View Post
    I agree with some of the recent posts. We don't drink at home really but once every couple of months if I'm lucky enough to get to go to dinner or lunch with friends or to dinner with DH I will have a glass of wine - and drive home at the end of the meal. The idea that this is irresponsible and putting my own selfishness and dependence on alcohol above the greater good of society is laughable. Yes, I'm paraphrasing and hyperbolising perhaps but that's the gist of some of the arguments here.
    Completely agree with you. Once again the idiot few ruin it for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyW View Post
    I agree with some of the recent posts. We don't drink at home really but once every couple of months if I'm lucky enough to get to go to dinner or lunch with friends or to dinner with DH I will have a glass of wine - and drive home at the end of the meal. The idea that this is irresponsible and putting my own selfishness and dependence on alcohol above the greater good of society is laughable. Yes, I'm paraphrasing and hyperbolising perhaps but that's the gist of some of the arguments here.
    I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I should say that this whole thread for me is purely philosophical. I am interested in what everyone has had to say, and I am not trying to change opinions but rather engage in discussion iykwim?

    I haven't said anywhere that people are selfish or irresponsible and I don't feel that way about people that drive within the limit.

    I do think it's interesting though that some people here have said that they wouldn't drive with any alcohol in their system with their own kids in the car, so doesn't that indicate acknowledging some sort of responsibility to others?

    But yeah, I am a kind of 'greater good of society' kind of chick. Guilty as charged :-)

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    I've seen families devastated by drink driving. Both sides. I've seen children grow up without a parent as the parent was serving time. I know kids who've grown up without a dad as someone who was drunk ran into him.

    If I go out (which is about once a year) I tend to have a drink at the beginning of the night or not at all. I know if I have a drink then that it will have at least 4 hours to get out of my system. If my DH is driving then I will probably have a glass with dinner.

    I'd say - it's not bad to go out and have a drink, but make sure that you are in a full state of mind by the time you get behind a wheel. Count your drinks, know your body and plan ahead. For example, I know that alcohol affects me a lot more now after not drinking it very much due to pregnancies, so I tend to have a smaller amount.

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    I want to say absolute zero BUT it really depends on the person.

    We can't legislate for that of course, so I think 0.05 is ok. Not great, but not bad.

    I have a friend who drives better after 2 beers, than he does when sober.
    Another friend is an atrocious driver sober, and more so on alcohol.
    A third friend can't stop at 1 or 2 so either does not drive when going out, or does not go out.*

    *I believe that those who can't stop at 1/2 are the same people who feel it is necessary to drink at social events, and so aren't responsible enough to go out and not drink at all- they have no self control after all.

    On it being dependant on the person- if you have a glass of wine during the starter of a 5 course meal, you are much less likely to be influenced by the alcohol than the person who has a glass with nibbles.
    Also 'bigger' (taller, more muscular, or overweight) people can tolerate alcohol a bit better too.

    Most of me is saying zero tolerance. But a small part is saying 1 with food is ok.

    ETA: I lost my best friend due to a "drunk" driver. He was only just over the limit and the actual reason for his "mistake" (he drove on the wrong side of the road and hit her head on) was determined to be his age (84) and eyesight.
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    I read a book a couple of years ago by Jill stark called high sobriety. it's basically about her journey from being a hard drinking party girl to giving up alcohol for a year. along the way, she explores why drinking is hard wired into Australian culture and how it has the potential to ruin so many lives (like any other addiction I guess). made for a good read and really got me thinking about my own drinking habits and attitudes towards drinking.

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    I guess my "fears" around alcohol aren't so much getting into a car with someone who has had a drink (or 5), so much as getting into a car with a bad driver.

    There are plenty of bad drivers out there who are sober, and plenty of collisions involving sober people.

    As with anything else in life, it's a risk assessment. If you think you are fine after having a drink, drive- but think, how would you feel if...

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Having the limit at 0.00 is not going to stop people driving drunk after a big night at the pub. If they're ignoring the current limit, why would they adhere to the new limit.
    Then why have any limits and laws at all? There will always be people that break the law no matter what.

    Just wondering if anyone has read the link I posted earlier? It doesn't take much alcohol for driving to be impaired slightly.

    Anyway, to clarify I am *honestly* not having a go at people who drink and drive responsibly.

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    I think the problem is that many people think they're fine after they've had a drink but they're not.

    I think that 0.05 is okay as a limit, simply because 0.0 is impractical. Not because everyone is entitled to drink over lunch, but because some everyday items contain minor amounts of alcohol that might show up on a test designed to catch everyone over 0.0.

    I would love for cars to come with breathalysers. I know so many people who would never ever think it was okay to drink drive and would never classify themselves as drink drivers, but they do have an occasional drink and drive and assume its okay. I suspect that if everyone had to pass the breathalyser before driving there would be a lot of people suddenly not driving after that relaxed evening out... It would provide a great deal of peace of mind and eliminate a lot of arguments.
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