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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    This exactly. It will hit the sensible people the hardest.

    Drunk drivers will drive irrespective of their limit.

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    I disagree. Obviously there are no statistics available on this, but i would suggest that the overwhelming majority of people try to abide by the law in regards to drink driving, but are unintentionally over the limit/impaired while driving. They think they're safe to have 2 standard drinks, because that's what the guidelines say, but they don't realise that those guidelines might be way off for them. They don't realise how impaired they are, and then may cause an accident. Whereas if the limit was zero, most people would adhere to that, or at the very least think "oh well I'll have one drink with dinner, wait a few hours and I'll be fine". Which means they're much less likely to then be impaired while driving.

    Yes, there are still a minority who will get wasted and get behind the wheel, and we'll never stop those people. But if we can get the majority to rethink their drinking & driving, we may save some lives/injuries.

    Look, 0.00 may not be realistic in a culture like ours where drinking is the norm. But like i said in a further post, maybe a combination of more education, a cognitive function test, and personal breathalysers would help. But again, that's not going to stop the people who chose to drink drive anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    This is interesting.... I'd be at the limit after 1 drink! I didn't think that was the case... I usually will wait at least 30-60 mins after having a drink before driving and after reading this I will now always wait at least an hour.

    Thank you for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post

    But (and I'm sorry if this comes across blunt and insensitive) a lower BAC limit would not have stopped those drunk drivers driving that night.
    Actually I believe it would have. The man who hit my uncles had been out at dinner and only had a few drinks. He thought he was under the limit and didn't realise how impaired he was until he understeered on a corner. I think if there was a zero tolerance policy he was likely to adhered to that. He wasn't some crazy repeat 'drunk driver'. He had no prior driving infringements. I don't blame him, and I know it destroyed him to have to live with what he'd done. (Small town - everyone knows everyone).

    As for the police officer who was over the limit and hit my uncle on his motorbike...well, who knows with that one. I don't whether he thought he was fine, or whether he thought he was above the law... but I'd like to think that a police officer would be doing their best to abide by the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    My heart says zero but my head says that's harsh and unreasonable. At the end of the day, the people who are getting blind drunk and getting behind the wheel of a car are going to do that regardless of the limit.

    0.08 is still pretty high. It takes me 2 or 3 glasses of wine to be over the limit under normal circumstances (one after the other, not tired, having eaten). I'd be pretty damn tipsy at .08. What I noted though was the use of language there: "only" .08. Until people start breathalysing themselves and seeing how they are at each reading, a number can be really arbitrary. I don't see .08 as being "only" .08. I see it as being almost .1 which is, frankly, drunk.

    I wouldn't feel comfortable driving at .05. I think any licensed establishment should be legally obliged to have breathalysers for people to use. I remember my local nightclub used to have one and it was really interesting seeing what the reading was in relation to how drunk you felt and how much it could change and be influenced by factors such as tiredness.

    We don't educate new drivers enough about the effects of drinking. We use this seemingly arbitrary number then stupid theories of one drink an hour, then wonder why so many people get done for drink driving and are surprised that they're over the limit. I'm all for actual education, teaching people how to drink responsibly, getting them to understand what .05 actually feels like under different circumstances. Of course I accept that this type of education is costly and difficult to implement. But it can start in the home.
    I was pulled over once years ago as I had a dodgy headlight. the cop rbt-ed me while he was at it. it was a Friday night and I was in my way home from a friend's house after a couple of wines. I'd literally only had 2, but it was Friday night and I was tired after a week of work plus hasn't eaten. I recall feeling a bit tipsy. not blind drunk and definitely in control but there was that happy buzz. I was just under the limit. 2 wines ordinarily wouldn't even touch the sides but it goes to show what can have no effect under one set of circumstances can be a totally different story when you add different variables.

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    Hubby & I are both of the same opinion... Who ever is having a drink be it one or more the other drives.
    Although it's probably easier for us to have that train of thought being as though I don't drink at all... But even when I did only one of us would drink (usually him anyway) and the other drove just safer that way & the one drinking doesn't have to think hmm will I be over or can I have this 1 more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Having the limit at 0.00 is not going to stop people driving drunk after a big night at the pub. If they're ignoring the current limit, why would they adhere to the new limit.

    Dropping the limit to 0.00 will affect the people that drink and drive responsibly and want to have 1 drink with a nice dinner at a restaurant or go to a friends for a glass of wine and drive home afterwards. These aren't the people causing crashes and killing people. Those drunk drivers are still going to drive regardless of the limit.
    This is exactly how I feel ^

    I see your point of view @harvs and understand your reasoning. But as @meredithgrey has stated, the people who are likely to get sloshed and drive aren't going to be affected by any change in the law. Murder is illegal, but sick people still murder.
    As for me, I have only come off my P's this year, which means I can now have one drink and drive afterwards. It still doesn't sit right with me though as I am so used to just abstaining if I had to drive, so the majority of the time I have no alcohol if I'm out for dinner etc. I have had a glass of wine with lunch whilst out and no more and driven an hour or so later and felt absolutely no impact on my driving whatsoever. It depends on the individual I guess.

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    Firstly, I need to clarify that I hardly ever drink. Like, I could count on one hand the number of drinks I have had this year.

    But I will admit that when I get the chance to go out with friends or just DF (Basically anywhere sans children) I do like to have a drink or two. I'm on the taller side of average I would say (just), and a bit overweight. I would certainly never ever drive after two, and I hardly even make it to my second drink because I feel one is enough. I like the freedom to know I can drive after one if needed.

    I do feel there needs to be a national law that if you ever get fined for drink driving your personal legal limit needs to be lowered to 0 for life. Maybe a symbol to go on your licence to denote this so when you are pulled over for a RAB the police know if you are a 0.5 driver (never been done drink driving) or a 0 (L plater, P plater or someone been caught previously)

    However, the cynic in me says that the law will never change because a lot of revenue would be generated through drink driving fines and state governments wouldn't want to miss out on that.

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    Why is drinking so instilled in our culture that NOT drinking seems like such a difficult thing or a buzz kill? I mean, not drinking is about not putting yourself and other people at risk. I've read enough in this thread to realize, even with a BAC of under 0.05, people can still feel too impaired to drive. Maybe it's more about making a judgment call, regardless of being under the limit, but even that can be unreliable. People don't need a glass of wine with dinner when they know they will be driving home later. I guess I don't really understand why this would even be up for debate...and this is coming from someone with an alcoholic dad who would drive home drunk on a regular basis AND lost his license more than once because of it. I know this isn't the same as someone who drinks "responsibly", but how responsible is it, really to get behind the wheel with ANY alcohol in your system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Marigold~ View Post
    This is exactly how I feel ^

    I see your point of view @harvs and understand your reasoning. But as @meredithgrey has stated, the people who are likely to get sloshed and drive aren't going to be affected by any change in the law. Murder is illegal, but sick people still murder.
    As for me, I have only come off my P's this year, which means I can now have one drink and drive afterwards. It still doesn't sit right with me though as I am so used to just abstaining if I had to drive, so the majority of the time I have no alcohol if I'm out for dinner etc. I have had a glass of wine with lunch whilst out and no more and driven an hour or so later and felt absolutely no impact on my driving whatsoever. It depends on the individual I guess.
    I agree. Drinking culture in this country is ridiculous. I had a horrible relationship with alcohol when I was younger, it was all about getting blotto. I've driven drunk twice, and driven "the morning after" probably more times than I know. I'm lucky that I've escaped harm and not hurt anyone else. And I grew up in a household where neither of my parents drank, or at least not in front of me, so it's not a family thing, it's the way my friends and I drank when we started going out at 18.

    That being said, plenty of people can enjoy a glass of wine with dinner and IMO should be allowed to do so. Muppets like me are the ones who screw it up and make the idiotic mistakes and disrespect alcohol. That's not everyone though.

    I do think the way alcohol is abused in Australia is at the root of so many problems. It's so ingrained in our culture, and not in a good way.

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    Alcohol limit should be zero. I've know of a few people who have been in car accidents and not survived.


 

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