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    I don't really agree with 0 blood alcohol.

    It is very rare that I drink so it's not because of that.

    My last drink of alcohol was on 25th July. I can't remember the last time I had a drink before that. I think it was in May when I went out for dinner with 3 friends. Before that it was January at my friend's 40th.

    I only remember the date of my last drink because my husband and I went to the accountant that day. We hired a carer from daycare to babysit the kids. We got her for 5 hours. We went to the accountant, then went for a meal together. Can't remember the last time my husband and I went for a meal together without the kids. I had a middie of light beer with my lunch. Then I drove to Bunnings with my husband to get some paint for a room makeover. Was there a chance that I was not 0? Yes.

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    Default What are your thoughts on drink driving limits.

    I agree @harvs. For me it can change all the time. I have nights where I could drive after a bottle of wine (I don't) and other nights where I'd be a danger on half a glass of wine. But alcohol limits are really only relevant if the driver (a) has an accident or (b) gets picked up for drink driving. So if I was breathalysed after half a glass and was ok but then drove off and had an accident I'd still be charged with dangerous driving if I was negligent (failure to pay attention etc). If I had consumed a bottle of wine and was breathalysed I'd probably lose my license for a very long time and if I caused a serious accident might actually go to jail.

    So I'm fairly comfortable with the current rules. I think they work.

    Eta I do think if you have kids in the car the limit should be lower. If I know I'm driving the kids anyway I don't drink at all during the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Reading these responses I guess I'm realising my struggle is not so much with the practicality of it (maybe not the right word, but like the examples provided by Sonja and R&A) but more the philosophy of it. Like, it's either ok or it's not, and the 0.05 thing blurs those lines for me. I'm an exceptionally high functioning drunk whereas others can feel extremely tipsy after one drink.

    Meh I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm really quite interested in it though.
    totally get your point. it's inconsistent to say "it's bad to drink drive but it's ok to drink drive a little bit"

    totally get you. as someone who used to find it very hard to stop after 1 or 2, and used to enjoy getting out of control, I think not having any prior to driving makes the most sense.

    I now no longer enjoy drinking like I used to, hate feeling drunk or even tipsy and will never drink enough to get a hangover (urghhhh). so basically I stop myself at 1 or 2. given I stop before I can feel any effects of the alcohol, I see it as fairly harmless to have a wine at lunch and then drive myself home.

    I realise that some people would fall into the former category though and so a blanket ban is just easier. you'll still get the idiots who drink drive anyway, regardless of the bac limit. laws don't stop idiots.

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    I won't drive if I've had a drink. Hubby will if he's had 1 and it makes me very uncomfortable. People are way too dependant on alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaDiDah View Post
    I won't drive if I've had a drink. Hubby will if he's had 1 and it makes me very uncomfortable. People are way too dependant on alcohol.
    I think generally in Australia our relationship with alcohol is very ----ed up, but not because I think people shouldn't drink but because I don't think we as a nation properly enjoy drinking anymore. When you travel overseas and notice how relaxed laws are around public drinking and yet these countries still function and are healthy and you don't see 19 and 20yo's drunk to the point of incapacitation on a weekend night you wonder if we've got it all wrong.

    I remember backpacking around Europe with my sister and we bought a bottle of wine and some food and sat in a park and drank it. A police woman went past on her bike and my sister and i froze expecting to get in trouble but she wished us a good meal (in beautiful French) and went on her way.

    That's the attitude I wished we embraced.

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    0.00 limit for everyone. When I was 14 a good friend of mine, her sister and their friend were hit and killed my a drunk driver. He did a runner and it took days to find him. Somehow, he was still on the roads, did a runner to NSW, got done for DD down there, TWICE. The ******* somehow managed to only spend 6 months behind bars.

    I will never EVER have any tolerance for people who get behind the wheel after consuming alcohol or drugs. Ever. Even just 1.

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    It would be interesting to know what research has been done on how low levels of alcohol can affect reaction time etc. I reserve judgement until I know more!

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    Hmm interesting question. If you look at country pubs and clubs, many have declined significantly since the drink driving laws were introduced. To reduce the level even further would have a flow on effect but of course it would be entirely worth it if the road toll/drink driving related accidents lowered. Having said that, I get drunk quickly and have many times walked to a patrol car/police station to be breathalysed to see if I can drive home - for me personally, the results are shocking: I can be off my face drunk and below 0.05. Well, several years ago but I assume my metabolism is the same if not worse since I haven't had a drink in ages because of pregnancy/breastfeeding. Everyone is different obviously, but I feel like it's so much easier not to drink. I used to find it hard to stop at one and drove home drunk a few times (which I'm not proud of). I think it would be easier if it was 0.0 - going to drive? Don't drink. Not even one. Easy.

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    I think the laws are fine as they are. The vast majority of accidents where alcohol is involved involve people well over the legal limit, people who would've ignored the limit whether it be 0.05 or 0.00.

    I just asked DP and she confirms that in car accidents she's attended where there have been positive blood alcohol readings, none are in the 0.00-0.05 range, they are all over the limit.

    ETA: I personally don't drive if I have had a drink because I am a terrible lightweight!

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    http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safet...cts-of-alcohol

    I guess the other point I am noticing here is about people 'feeling ok' to drive, which is by no means an exact or foolproof indication of being under the limit. Even the official guidelines of one drink per hour will not be universally accurate.

    The above link points out some aspects of driving that are affected (though to what extent it doesn't really say) by BAC of as low as 0.018.

    It's an interesting point about country pubs, but country fatalities are among those where drink driving is most often a factor.

    I don't know. It's certainly not a black and white issue it would seem.


 

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