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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I really apologise for quoting just one sentence from your post....but



    But when did Australia become such a nanny state?

    If you feel too drunk to drive - then DON'T DRIVE.

    I don't care if your BAC is probably under the legal limit, or that the guidelines say that you could have another drink and still be good to drive.

    Use some common sense - do you really need a law to tell you that driving whilst you feel like that is a stupid idea?

    If you can't work as something as simple as that our for yourself, then you probably shouldn't be driving at all.
    Yes. This exactly. Thank you for being so succinct.

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    Default What are your thoughts on drink driving limits.

    I'm not sure how that relates to being a nanny state?

    I agree with you. In an ideal world (country), everyone would get that it's that simple. But I have heard people say that they feel a bit drunk but they must be fine to drive because they've only had one, and they're 'allowed to' have two in the first hour.

    Anyway, I'm going round in circles here.

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    http://theconversation.com/why-its-t...ing-limit-9619

    this has some information about The European Council and some countries lowering the limit to 0.02 or 0.00 with small tolerance. There is also some data about the decrease in high range drink driving detection after the limit was lowered from 0.08 to 0.05 in NSW (or Tas sorry can't remember).
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    @harvs if I could make one comment about not drinking if I am driving my kids (or anyone else's). That's purely because one standard drink is so bloody small for me I honestly don't see the point.

    If I'm out during the day for a meal (never happens anymore) and get offered wine I always say no as the sizes are ridiculous and I wouldn't have a clue if I was over the limit or not. To be honest my pleasure from drinking wine comes from sitting down at the end of the day and having a few wines with dh and not worrying about limits

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    I get that and I think you have a very good point.

    Me saying that some people have said they felt drunk after one wine is indicating nothing other than some people have said they felt drunk after one wine. Nothing more.

    In fact it was an example to support what you have said earlier about the guidelines needing an overhaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    @harvs if I could make one comment about not drinking if I am driving my kids (or anyone else's). That's purely because one standard drink is so bloody small for me I honestly don't see the point.

    If I'm out during the day for a meal (never happens anymore) and get offered wine I always say no as the sizes are ridiculous and I wouldn't have a clue if I was over the limit or not. To be honest my pleasure from drinking wine comes from sitting down at the end of the day and having a few wines with dh and not worrying about limits
    Thank you. And I appreciate all of your comments on this thread. As I said earlier it's kind of uncharted territory for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I never said that.

    I just think that dropping the limit from 0.05 (which is quite low limit when you look at the rest of the world) to 0.00 won't necessarily reduce the number of crashes caused by drunk drivers. Someone posted a table earlier that showed very few crashes are caused by drivers who's BAC is between 0.00 and 0.05 when compared to drivers who are over 0.05.

    I don't buy the bulls!t claims of "I didn't know I was over the limit". Anything more than 2 standard drinks isn't going to make you a safe driver and will probably put you over the limit - no matter what you've eaten, how tall you are, how big you are.

    I think there needs to be a change in the current guidelines and more education into what a standard drink is - because as I've said in multiple posts I suspect a large majority of people are underestimating how much they've actually had, especially when you consider most bottles and cans of beer, cider, pre-mix spirits etc contain more than 1 standard drink.

    I'm not saying people should be able to go to the pub, have 3 pints of beer and drive home afterwards. That's dumb and unsafe.

    I'm talking about the people that want to go out for dinner or lunch or to a friend's place and have 1 or 2 standard drinks of an alcoholic beverage that they enjoy over a couple of hours and then drive home. These people aren't causing crashes and killing people.

    And if you are someone that is greatly affected by 1 or 2 standard drinks, do you really need a freaking law to tell you that driving might not be a good idea. Take some personal responsibility and use some common sense.
    This sums up my thoughts about this exactly.

    Harsher penalties are needed - eg lose your license for 2 years and then a 0.00 blood alcohol limit for 5 years after and if caught lose licence for 5 years.

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    For my dh and I personally, we have chosen not to drive with our ds even if we have had one drink. The reason for this is we have someone so precious to us in the car that we would prefer to have nothing at all affecting our judgements or reaction times, this isn't because of our own driving abilities but because where we live we encounter so many bl00dy idiots on the road. My dh and I have had so many near misses it isn't funny.

    For those that may be thinking how could one drink affect your reaction time? I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a special on a show on TV that tested reaction times after one standard drink, two standard drinks etc and still being under the legal limit and it was proven to affect reaction times rather greatly.

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    The issue about leaving people decide for themselves is that everyone thinks they are fine to drive after one small drink. Myself included.

    There was a study where they had people drive simple test (start to break when prompted and stop at point A, do a slalom). They all succeeded before having a drink.
    After one drink they all failed. The worst was seeing them drove over the cone at point A and those of the slalom.

    Any drink has an impact on our capacities that the simple truth.

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    The 0.02 limit (in nsw at least) allows room for medications, mouthwash etc that contain trace elements of alcohol. Some medications for specific conditions metabolise and can appear as alcohol, even without containing it. The 0.02 allows for this while still not being excessive. This is the reason you wait 15 mins after returning a positive road side reading before testing again and being transferred to an LAC if necessary. That time allows the small traces that appear in medication etc to be appropriately metabolised. If somone had driven with legitamate alcohol in their blood (more than 1 sd in the appropriate time frame), their BAC would continue to rise above 0.02, rather than fall, in that 15min-1hr timeframe after consuming said alcohol. If you had a medical reason for returning a positive roadside test, your BAC would fall below the 0.02 limit in that time and you would be on your way. You can even carry a certificate confirming the situation.
    I dont condone, nor partake in drink driving, but i understand why the rules have been set up in that way, without the need to say a blanket rule would suit all parties, end of story, because it just doesn't.

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    I don't drink, I would not be bothered if the legal limit changed to zero. I agree drivers can be far more risky on the road with other factors, kids, using the phone, being over tired, or high on drugs. there are many things that can affect your driving ability and your power of concentration. I think there needs to be far more education about road safety, car maintenance, and everything that can affect your ability to drive. it should start about grade nine in high school, and continue until the child is able to actually drive on the roads. so well before anyone is allowed to drink, they are well aware of how much concentration is needed to keep control of a car. my opinion, we need to start with education . marie,


 

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