@harvs I think there is constant tension between social responsibility and personal responsibility. At various times in my life I shift between the 2. Now my girls are getting older I find myself moving more toward personal responsibility as I want them to take ownership of their actions and behaviours. And I suppose that colours the way I view many of these issues at the moment. I really do think there can be both but we have gone too far to the extent where we legislate against everything for fear one or two people might hurt themselves.