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    http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northe...-1227473987637

    This is a regular occurrence in the NT....some people don't care about the law. 0.0 or 0.05 wouldn't make a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Thanks for making people that enjoy alcoholic drinks feel like second-class citizens.

    I don't see anything wrong with enjoying alcohol responsibly - a lot of posters on here need to stop making people feel bad for that
    Really.
    Come on... Nobody has said anything of the kind. Nobody has called anyone irresponsible or anything the like.

    We are entitled to our opinion and so far we had discussed this like adults that disagree on a point.

    Please stop telling others that the their opinion is less worthy and they need to stop.

    Please be very mindful of the hurt and grief of those that have lost love ones to drink driving.

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    Default What are your thoughts on drink driving limits.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveLivesHere View Post
    Really.
    Come on... Nobody has said anything of the kind. Nobody has called anyone irresponsible or anything the like.

    We are entitled to our opinion and so far we had discussed this like adults that disagree on a point.

    Please stop telling others that the their opinion is less worthy and they need to stop.

    Please be very mindful of the hurt and grief of those that have lost love ones to drink driving.
    There is a massive difference between drink drivers who are over the limit and cause an accident and those who admit to having a drink and then driving. A few commentators have suggested not agreeing to 0.00 is because we prefer personal desire over social responsibility. I don't think it's that simple at all. I have the deepest sympathy for those who lose loved ones in car accidents that are preventable but don't believe changing the law would honestly make any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    There is a massive difference between drink drivers who are over the limit and cause an accident and those who admit to having a drink and then driving. A few commentators have suggested not agreeing to 0.00 is because we prefer personal desire over social responsibility. I don't think it's that simple at all. I have the deepest sympathy for those who lose loved ones in car accidents that are preventable but don't believe changing the law would honestly make any difference.
    See this post is exactly what I was trying to say.
    Discussing the issue like a adult and not calling people names or quoting someone who loves have died and treating them badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    totally get your point. it's inconsistent to say "it's bad to drink drive but it's ok to drink drive a little bit"
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    I don't think it is. I don't think people are saying that. People are saying it's ok to have a teeny bit of alcohol and drive, but it's not ok to drive if you are drunk. It's the same as saying: it's ok to drive if you're a teeny bit tired as you only got 7 hours sleep..... But not ok to drive if you're skittish and feeling those waves of nausea because you only got 4 hours sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    There is a massive difference between drink drivers who are over the limit and cause an accident and those who admit to having a drink and then driving. A few commentators have suggested not agreeing to 0.00 is because we prefer personal desire over social responsibility. I don't think it's that simple at all. I have the deepest sympathy for those who lose loved ones in car accidents that are preventable but don't believe changing the law would honestly make any difference.
    No i have said that there are circumstances where someone can have slight levels of alcohol and not realise. Eg medications or through foods prepared by other people.

    I think 0.00 is unrealistic. 0.01 and 0.02 can be registered when someone is unawares of injestion of alcohol. 0.05 is a good rule as it has a nice safety margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    Yep. Agree too. I love wine. I'm currently staring at my wine collection rather lovingly. I miss my Friday 1-2 glasses of wine after the kids go to bed. Yes I can easily also put away 2-4 bottles of wine at a party and still not be hung over but I know to do that sparingly and mostly at girls nights out. I definitely don't drive then or the next morning.
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    Would you stop saying stuff that makes me think we might get along in real life. Ta!

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    Ok. I mention social responsibility because in my understanding that's why laws are created and therefore would be a factor in this discussion, not to imply that it's some selfish act to have a drink.

    We make decisions every day regarding personal preference and social responsibility. I don't recycle as much as I should. I buy products that contain palm oil if I really like them. I don't always buy Australian made. I have been and currently am a smoker. All of these decisions have an impact on society - our decisions don't exist in a vacuum.

    Likewise, our personal experiences influence our values. Much like my mum who never touched a cigarette because she grew up in a household of adults who smoked. Or how I have a pathological fear of abandonment and it's not hard to work out why.

    It's not hard to understand how people who have been affected by drink driving have the opinions they do. It doesn't make them wowsers. It makes them emotionally wounded by something that could have been avoided.

    Personally I am a big fan of @Mod-Nomsie's solution.


    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I don't think it is. I don't think people are saying that. People are saying it's ok to have a teeny bit of alcohol and drive, but it's not ok to drive if you are drunk. It's the same as saying: it's ok to drive if you're a teeny bit tired as you only got 7 hours sleep..... But not ok to drive if you're skittish and feeling those waves of nausea because you only got 4 hours sleep.
    I agree with this, but I do think it *is* essentially what the law is saying. The problem is as have PP have suggested that individual 'drunkenness' does not actually always correlate with the arbitrary legal level with a guideline that doesn't apply to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Would you stop saying stuff that makes me think we might get along in real life. Ta!
    Heaven forbid that! Start a TH thread and we can have fisticuffs over the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    This is one of the reasons I'd like to see zero; zero means zero. It doesn't mean maybe one or maybe two, or maybe even three if you're 6"4 and weigh 120kgs and you've eaten a 3 course meal. It just means zero. We all know what zero means.

    But Australia loves a drink, so it won't happen.
    Maybe it won't happen because it's not the most practical or sensible solution?

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