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    I can only go by my dd, but once she started 12 at night at 6 months, it has never been more than 1.5 in the day

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    Big hugs. I do feel your pain and I only have one bubba!

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    Sounds like we have the same baby! DS2 is 5.5 months and he's an awful daytime napper. We're pretty good on the night sleep though and he's probably averaging out at the 'recommended' sleep hours, so I try not to stress too much about it.

    Like your bub, DS only lasts at most 2 hours after waking in the morning - and that's after a 12+ hour stretch at night. Then I put him down and he spends at least half an hour rolling around, chatting to himself and getting caught in the sides of the cot. Sometimes he'll sleep for an hour tops, other times he'll go for the full two hours (and I party!) but it can be pretty inconsistent. I'll generally try to resettle him if he gets less than an hour but sometimes he's just wide awake and definitely not planning on getting back to sleep.

    He catnaps the rest of the day but he's happy when he's awake so I'm assuming he's getting enough sleep.

    I have a pretty relaxed philosophy on sleeping. You can't force them to do it if they don't want to. (Except at night. No negotiation there!) Maybe your bub just doesn't need the same amount of daytime sleep that the books recommend. One day you might be on the other end of the spectrum and stressing that your baby is getting too much sleep!

    I know when DS2 tired and I also know when my efforts are futile. So I let him stay awake a little longer and try again later. And quite frankly, I have a death defying toddler to take care of too. I don't have the time to sit with DS2 and pat him to sleep.

    Yes, I'm a bad routine mummy - I tend to go with the flow rather than follow strict timetables. I take him out even if it'll coincide with his nap time. He'll sleep in the car, catnap in the pram, zonk out in the baby carrier. I have too much to do to allow his sleep schedule to dictate my life.

    It's taken me a while to get to this point and it doesn't always work but I do find that I'm a lot less stressed when I'm not so concerned with whether or not DS2 is following his schedule. Sometimes it helps to follow your baby rather than the books or even the sleeping experts.

    I don't know if any of this helps at all, but know that you're not alone and your baby is not the only rebellious day sleeper!

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    And has he started solids yet? He may decide to divide up that 1.5-2 hrs over the day a bit more

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    I would absolutely extend to 2 hours. But if you think he's tired before this, say at 1.5 hours, try 1 hour 40 minutes for a few days. Then 1 hour 50 for a few days until you get to 2 hours.

    At 4.5 months my DS (now 9 months old) was on 2 hours awake and didn't have a catnap in the afternoon, just 2 naps.

    I also definitely recommend some kind of background noise, either a pedestal fan pointing away from his cot or a radio set to a blank channel so you get a constant static noise.

    When you put him down and he does nap, when he wakes up does he cry or does he just roll around and chat to himself? In my experience, if they wake up crying, they need more sleep and you should try and resettle them, but if they're awake and happy it means they were tired enough to nap, but not to sleep, so they wake refreshed after a nap = happy and in which case you definitely need to stretch out the awake time. As a PP mentioned, maybe a walk around the back or front yard. The fresh air and sun will gently stimulate them a little to help you stretch them out.

    Good luck!

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    Thank you, you are all fabulous and I appreciate that you have taken the time to reply.

    Yep we are on 3 serves of solids a day, about half an hour after milk feeds. He wakes up for the day at around 7:45am.

    He generally always wakes up cheerful and chatty after his morning nap.

    I think our action plan will be:
    - white noise
    - stretch that morning awake time as much as we can. I guess it really can't hurt - if he's only going to sleep for 45 minutes, probably doesn't matter much if he does it later (if anything, keeping him awake longer would help us get closer to maintaining 4 hourly milk feeds as well as maintaining feed/play/sleep which is what was suggested at sleep school).
    - I need to relax a bit!!!

    My first was a textbook baby with very little effort from us, so this one has been a shock to my system!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mummyChubbles View Post
    I'll give the white noise a try - did those of you who had success with it use a particular noise? I will be interested to see if his sleeping changes next week and school holidays are over, and the toddler isn't home some mornings.

    Thanks for your feedback everyone. I'll give the longer awake time a go as well.

    Here's another question: even if he isn't sleeping, he's usually pretty happy to stay in the cot. Should I just continue to keep leaving him in there and resettling him if he gets cranky and hope that one day he just gets it and sleeps longer?
    We downloaded a white noise app for our ipad - it has lots of different white noise types so is good if you want to give it a go (though I can't remember if it was free or not, sorry). Given it worked so well for us we actually ended up buying a white noise CD online - it's been great and I have burnt copies for many friends with babies! I find the noise on the app/CD much less 'harsh' than using radio white noise.

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    Our house is very small too with DD's room opening right off the kitchen and family room. I found putting a fan on in her room seems to have helped with noise, and when she was little I used to put some music on outside her room - not too loud but just loud enough that she wasn't sleeping in complete silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post

    When you put him down and he does nap, when he wakes up does he cry or does he just roll around and chat to himself? In my experience, if they wake up crying, they need more sleep and you should try and resettle them, but if they're awake and happy it means they were tired enough to nap, but not to sleep, so they wake refreshed after a nap = happy and in which case you definitely need to stretch out the awake time. As a PP mentioned, maybe a walk around the back or front yard. The fresh air and sun will gently stimulate them a little to help you stretch them out.



    oxo
    I agree with this, I can really only resettle my DS when he wakes up grumpy, if he's happy there is no way he'll go back to sleep. All in all if he is having a good afternoon nap on most days, then I wouldn't be overly worried about the morning one being a nap.

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    After all that I've said about him today, he did a massive 2.5 hour nap this afternoon. Yay!

    Taking on board everyone's advice, I'll definitely start stretching out his morning awake time and will try and let go of my expectations for that sleep.

    I think a lot of my problem is my personality - I'm a planner, organizer, rule-sticker. So when I get told "your baby needs to sleep for 1.5-2 hours", I stress to no end if he doesn't. But I'm starting to realise that in the 4 weeks we have been home from sleep school, even though he hasn't met their quota of morning sleep, he is happy and thriving and everything else is coming together.

    Thank you again for replying - I really appreciate you all taking the time to share your experiences with me.

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