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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Enough View Post
    Nobody is saying it's ok to leave kids in the car. That's twisting things. We are being judged for making a mistake. That's fine, I'm a big girl. But others, such as in the cases discussed have made a mistake and its wrecked their lives. They don't need someone telling them it can't happen and doesn't make sense.
    I agree - I know people aren't saying it's ok to leave people in cars.

    On a similar note I am not telling people it can't happen and doesn't make sense.

    All I'm saying is that in a majority of cases I think these tragedies preventable - if the parents just stop, take a breather, and don't engage in risky behaviour. Like Harrison in the news article - I will go as far as saying he was negligent and I 100% support him being charged. That is my opinion, and to date I haven't heard anything that is going to make me change it.

    It's not only about ensuring parents who make mistakes feel better. It's bigger than that. It's also about justice for the kids and preventing similar tragedies from happening again (which IMO won't happen until parents at least accept some responsibility for ensuring they are not engaging in risky behavior while their kids are in their care).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I agree - I know people aren't saying it's ok to leave people in cars.

    On a similar note I am not telling people it can't happen and doesn't make sense.

    All I'm saying is that in a majority of cases I think these tragedies preventable - if the parents just stop, take a breather, and don't engage in risky behaviour. Like Harrison in the news article - I will go as far as saying he was negligent and I 100% support him being charged. That is my opinion, and to date I haven't heard anything that is going to make me change it.

    It's not only about ensuring parents who make mistakes feel better. It's bigger than that. It's also about justice for the kids and preventing similar tragedies from happening again (which IMO won't happen until parents at least accept some responsibility for ensuring they are not engaging in risky behavior while their kids are in their care).
    I think the major issue here is that these parents didn't KNOW it was "risky behaviour" as you put it. They were just going about their everyday lives. It's not like they got drunk and drove their child around.

    The whole reason why it's important that attention is brought to this topic is so that people can be aware and take preventable measures. They may still suffer from a terrible event like this because even with taking those measures a situation could still arise where it happens but maybe it will make it less frequent.

    People insisting that it can't happen or that it only happens to negligent parents isn't getting any kind of justice for these children and only serves to give those people false security that they're somehow above this ever happening to them.

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    What is irking me is that most posters acknowledge that it's NOT right to leave kids in the car accidentally or intentionally. All of the posters here realise that it's an absolute tragedy that these kids died. But yet two or three posters are adamant that it could never happen to them as they are superparents.

    Now I'm a fairly careful parent and whilst I've never forgotten my kids in the car, I have forgotten my wallet, keys, phone, handbag, lunchbox and various other things. I'm acknowledging that I'm human and I could forget if my routine was out of whack. Why?. Because I know I'm not perfect!!!! I have lots of external factors that sometimes overwhelm me, sometimes I have no external factors and I still forget.

    I'm a shift worker and the amount of times I've gone to daycare on a sat or sun instead of my mums place is astounding. People do go on autopilot. Refusing to acknowledge that is just ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I agree - I know people aren't saying it's ok to leave people in cars.

    On a similar note I am not telling people it can't happen and doesn't make sense.

    All I'm saying is that in a majority of cases I think these tragedies preventable - if the parents just stop, take a breather, and don't engage in risky behaviour. Like Harrison in the news article - I will go as far as saying he was negligent and I 100% support him being charged. That is my opinion, and to date I haven't heard anything that is going to make me change it.

    It's not only about ensuring parents who make mistakes feel better. It's bigger than that. It's also about justice for the kids and preventing similar tragedies from happening again (which IMO won't happen until parents at least accept some responsibility for ensuring they are not engaging in risky behavior while their kids are in their care).
    By your definition driving my kids to daycare is risky. I'd be better off walking them in the pram or taking the bus as there is then no chance I could forget them in the car.

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    I've edited because I don't want to derail the thread any further, but I am going to just say. I have nothing personal against you or KG - even though we sit on the opposite sides on the fence on almost all topics. But I stand by what I said, you can have a strong opinion, and still say it without insulting groups of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    As is being overly sensitive and attacking is with others. Goes both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedwith3boys View Post
    Scientifically proven? Or given the name "fatal distraction" as an excuse for a parents lack of concentration?
    Didn't your child nearly drown in a pool when you were supposedly watching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple iPhart6 View Post
    I think the major issue here is that these parents didn't KNOW it was "risky behaviour" as you put it. They were just going about their everyday lives. It's not like they got drunk and drove their child around.

    The whole reason why it's important that attention is brought to this topic is so that people can be aware and take preventable measures. They may still suffer from a terrible event like this because even with taking those measures a situation could still arise where it happens but maybe it will make it less frequent.

    People insisting that it can't happen or that it only happens to negligent parents isn't getting any kind of justice for these children and only serves to give those people false security that they're somehow above this ever happening to them.
    Harrison was engrossed with problems at work, talking on his cell phone while driving his child to daycare. Disaster waiting to happen - he should have known better and if he didn't then that's a whole other thread.

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    This morning I was driving to work and couldn't remember if I had turned off the heater in my 2 year old's room, or if I turned off my son's electric blanket. Turns out I did, but I couldn't remember as its just part of my morning routine. Whilst I've never forgotten a child in the car, I've done heaps of things absentmindedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    By your definition driving my kids to daycare is risky. I'd be better off walking them in the pram or taking the bus as there is then no chance I could forget them in the car.
    Not necessarily. It's not just about being tired - that would be silly. Being tired is common and not in itself a danger or offence.

    However if Someone is so tired that they feel waves of nausea coming over them.... If they have the equivalent of a blood alcohol reading of 0.05 or more then yes darn right they shouldn't be driving.

    And I am not saying this from my high horse - the opposite actually. I once drove so tired at night (pre kids) that I felt those waves of nausea. Had to stop and nap by the side of the road. Scared me. From that point on I vowed never ever to drive when I was 'that' tired again.

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    And I agree with you there, if you are that exhausted, then you shouldn't be driving and certainly not driving and talking on your mobile. But a lot of those stories didn't involve any of the risky things you have mentioned. And they are the stories where I don't think blame can be placed on the parents, well - not by us anyway. They will live with the torture every day of their lives forever, they don't need help feeling bad about it. What is good though, are all the ideas that have flowed from this discussion - bag, wallet in the back with the baby etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Not necessarily. It's not just about being tired - that would be silly. Being tired is common and not in itself a danger or offence.

    However if Someone is so tired that they feel waves of nausea coming over them.... If they have the equivalent of a blood alcohol reading of 0.05 or more then yes darn right they shouldn't be driving.

    And I am not saying this from my high horse - the opposite actually. I once drove so tired at night (pre kids) that I felt those waves of nausea. Had to stop and nap by the side of the road. Scared me. From that point on I vowed never ever to drive when I was 'that' tired again.

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