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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue View Post
    I get where you're going with this but wouldn't the money be better spent on healthcare rather than giving out perks to private patients? It doesn't cost the patient anything whether they go in as a public or private patient, they are going into hospital one way or another so why not let the hospital have the extra money? Why withhold money that could go to a good cause just because there's no newspaper or free TV on offer? It seems everyone always wants there to be something in it for them, even when ticking that box on the admission form has absolutely no negative consequence for them at all, which is kind of sad really (not you specifically of course, I know you're playing devils advocate for the sake of discussion so I hope my comments are taken in that context).
    Plainly, because we are paying extra for it. We pay for PHI so we get better health cover. If we are paying extra to be able to get preferential treatment, we should get it. Otherwise, what is the point in PHI? We could just pay the public hospital instead.

    (I actually am ok with getting a private room only if it's not needed by someone else, but just making a point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshy68 View Post
    I'm usually just a lurker, but I find this thread so frustrating. What most people seem to be missing is we all pay taxes to provide public health cover (Medicare) for people who can't afford private. In my opinion if you have private cover but are using the public system as a public patient you are costing the taxpayer greater money unnecessarily, when it could have been billed to the private insurer. This is what you pay your premiums for. If all Australians relied on the public system then the government would be responsible for all healthcare costs. Where do you think the money comes from that pays for public health?
    Sorry, but again I found this so frustrating. I mean no offence to anyone and hope you all get medical care you need, when you need it, whether you are public or private patient
    Regarding this, I get what you are saying BUT it is not our fault that both public and private get hit with the bill. It is the way PHI is set up- you need a medicare card to apply FFS!

    The best hospital in my area happens to be a public one. Yes I have PHI but I am not travelling outside my area to an unknown hospital just because of that. I will use the public one, as it's the best. They get a chunk of money because I have PHI and I can rest knowing I am in good hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    It's a public hospital. I completely disagree that people should "priority" simply because they've paid PHI. That's not how the public health system works.

    Single rooms are and should be allocated on an as needs basis, not something you think you can buy. Don't like it, go use your PHI at a private hospital.

    The government doesn't have infinite money to spend on healthcare. If they did there wouldn't be the need for hospital foundations and all the fundraising that they do.
    I agree - I just think because of this public hospitals shouldn't be accepting private patients at all - not even for their $$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshy68 View Post
    I'm usually just a lurker, but I find this thread so frustrating. What most people seem to be missing is we all pay taxes to provide public health cover (Medicare) for people who can't afford private. In my opinion if you have private cover but are using the public system as a public patient you are costing the taxpayer greater money unnecessarily, when it could have been billed to the private insurer. This is what you pay your premiums for. If all Australians relied on the public system then the government would be responsible for all healthcare costs. Where do you think the money comes from that pays for public health?
    Sorry, but again I found this so frustrating. I mean no offence to anyone and hope you all get medical care you need, when you need it, whether you are public or private patient
    Why should I pay Medicare, $340 per month, $500 excess for a hospital admission, plus specialist fees just to get pretty much the same treatment as someone who just pays Medicare?

    The problem isn't that private patients are rorting the system - the problem is that private health insurance is such a joke and people don't use it as much as they do because when they do it costs them an arm and a leg. I was $7,000 out of pocket going private when I had bub number one. No way in hell I could afford to use my private health insurance for bub nr 2.

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    Doesnt having PHI mean you dont pay medicare levy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Doesnt having PHI mean you dont pay medicare levy?
    Only if you have an "appropriate level of cover" and your income is NOT above a certain level.ETA: link (hope it's ok?) https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/M...evy-surcharge/

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    Apologies for playing devil's advocate. I definitely feel people's pain of having top level PHI and still forking out thousands out of pocket for medical expenses, I've been there. I am in no way saying the current system is perfect and I wish PHI actually paid out appropriately.
    I look at this from an outsider's perspective, having neither Medicare or PHI, being a defence member. Any specialist care I get has to be referred by a doctor, this includes optometry. Depending on how expensive the specialist treatment is or the reason sometimes it can only be recommended by the GP and then approved by a senior doctor. If I go to hospital I'm a private patient being paid for by defence.
    I guess I was just trying to get at the idea that Medicare is a safety net for those who cannot afford PHI. I'm not here to argue about costs of PHI or cost of medical care in general, because I understand it's expensive and we all must pay one way or another (or both ways, if you are in that tax bracket)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I agree - I just think because of this public hospitals shouldn't be accepting private patients at all - not even for their $$
    So I should travel 3.5 hours to my nearest public hospital while in labour instead of 45minutes to the public one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amyd View Post
    So I should travel 3.5 hours to my nearest public hospital while in labour instead of 45minutes to the public one?
    This would be my problem too. Not quite 3.5 but about 2 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amyd View Post
    So I should travel 3.5 hours to my nearest public hospital while in labour instead of 45minutes to the public one?
    You mean the private one is 3.5 hours away?

    By all means still use the closer public hospital - I just think it's unethical for the hospital to charge you as a private patient if you don't get anything extra for that $.

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