The title of this thread comes from Australia's most extreme arch-circumcisionist and foreskin hater Professor Morris who is not a medical doctor.
The 100:1 figure is invented by Morris, who has a habit of making stuff up.Mandatory Circumcision? Benefits outweigh risks 100 to 1
There are statements made by Morris which are presented as factual in this thread. I invite readers to research Morris before believing what he says.
And the cartoon with the 2 babies might be referring to Morris.
But what do you mean by side effects? Do you mean pain at the site? Or serious side effects? Because serious side effects in the Gardasil vaccine are very low at 0.4% over six studies. The vaccines are hugely effective at reducing HVP at near 100%, a 60% drop already in the number of people presenting with HPV since Gardasil was introduce - and now the new one covers even more strains.
You are correct that studies have shown circumcision can contribute to a drop in certain STIs, some studies show that it can reduce HIV rates (in only Hetrosexual males) by up to 60% - which is nowhere near a safe level, and to use it in a Western country as an STI prevention is just I am not talking about places like Africa that have an HIV epidemic and restricted access to contraception. Some studies show a reduction HPV by 35%, compared with nearly 100% effectiveness of the vaccine.
And lastly, there is no denying that Penile cancer is awful, it is also one of the rarest cancers on the planet with around 300 men dying per year in the US, when you consider that the latest figures of morbidity due to Infant circing in the US is around 117 a year (experts believe it may be as high as 500 a year - records vary state to state and aren't they don't have a mandatory reporting system unlike with vaccines) what that means is that 117 babies will die, but you may save 150 elderly men (most penile cancers happen at 68+) may not get penile cancer.
Also, for every study that shows there is a reduction in STIs, there are also studies that show that there isn't.
Measles must have gotten worse, there is no way 1 in 5 went to hospital when I was a kid (pre measles vaccines).Pneumonia causes death and Measles causes pneumonia in 1 out of every 15 people who get it, Measles also requires hospital treatment in 1 in every 5.
Pertussis is way more dangerous.
Measles causes dirrhea and vomiting which causes dehydration, I'm guessing the bulk of hospital stays are due to that.
I disagree that pertussis is way more dangerous, they are both scary and both bad. Up to a million people a year died from measles until mass world wide vaccinations were started in 2004, they have been going down since then and as of 2012 the death rate was 122,000. If anything it just shows how effective vaccines really are.
i am only writing what i have seen and heard, iam aware this issue is far from settled and all varieties of info is out there and still being mulled around. my perspective if of someone who circumcision has never been an issue for, i know that with an issue like this it can be hard to see the wood for the trees, its easy to drown in a sea of answers, so just painting the picture that if you leave well enough alone things can turn out quite ok and no complications. i did find your comment a little sarcastic
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