+ Reply to Thread
Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 65
  1. #51
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    107
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    3
    Reviews
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    prevented death and disability
    What about penile cancer prevented by neonatal circumcision? The men who get their penises removed in treatment would consider it a disability.

  2. #52
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    418
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked
    15
    Reviews
    0

    Default cranky old professor

    The title of this thread comes from Australia's most extreme arch-circumcisionist and foreskin hater Professor Morris who is not a medical doctor.

    Mandatory Circumcision? Benefits outweigh risks 100 to 1
    The 100:1 figure is invented by Morris, who has a habit of making stuff up.
    There are statements made by Morris which are presented as factual in this thread. I invite readers to research Morris before believing what he says.

    http://www.circumstitions.com/morris.html
    http://www.circleaks.org/index.php?t...rian_J._Morris

    http://www.circinfo.org/controversy.html
    And the cartoon with the 2 babies might be referring to Morris.

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to serendipity22 For This Useful Post:

    beebs  (02-06-2015)

  4. #53
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    10,012
    Thanks
    14,124
    Thanked
    7,612
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    But what do you mean by side effects? Do you mean pain at the site? Or serious side effects? Because serious side effects in the Gardasil vaccine are very low at 0.4% over six studies. The vaccines are hugely effective at reducing HVP at near 100%, a 60% drop already in the number of people presenting with HPV since Gardasil was introduce - and now the new one covers even more strains.
    http://cancer.about.com/od/hpvvaccin...asileffect.htm
    You are correct that studies have shown circumcision can contribute to a drop in certain STIs, some studies show that it can reduce HIV rates (in only Hetrosexual males) by up to 60% - which is nowhere near a safe level, and to use it in a Western country as an STI prevention is just I am not talking about places like Africa that have an HIV epidemic and restricted access to contraception. Some studies show a reduction HPV by 35%, compared with nearly 100% effectiveness of the vaccine.

    And lastly, there is no denying that Penile cancer is awful, it is also one of the rarest cancers on the planet with around 300 men dying per year in the US, when you consider that the latest figures of morbidity due to Infant circing in the US is around 117 a year (experts believe it may be as high as 500 a year - records vary state to state and aren't they don't have a mandatory reporting system unlike with vaccines) what that means is that 117 babies will die, but you may save 150 elderly men (most penile cancers happen at 68+) may not get penile cancer.

    Also, for every study that shows there is a reduction in STIs, there are also studies that show that there isn't.



    Quote Originally Posted by DeniG View Post
    But science indicates the circumcision has less side effects than vaccine and some conditions that it protects against it offers a level of protection comparable to a vaccination such as UTIs, HIV, and cervical cancer for partners. Can you explain that a little more?

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to beebs For This Useful Post:

    JustJaq  (02-06-2015)

  6. #54
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    10,012
    Thanks
    14,124
    Thanked
    7,612
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by DeniG View Post
    When I was a kid measles was considered a normal part of childhood. I never knew of anyone dieing. They are very analogous as they are both prophylactic.
    Pneumonia causes death and Measles causes pneumonia in 1 out of every 15 people who get it, Measles also requires hospital treatment in 1 in every 5.

  7. #55
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    418
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked
    15
    Reviews
    0

    Default measles?

    Pneumonia causes death and Measles causes pneumonia in 1 out of every 15 people who get it, Measles also requires hospital treatment in 1 in every 5.
    Measles must have gotten worse, there is no way 1 in 5 went to hospital when I was a kid (pre measles vaccines).

    Pertussis is way more dangerous.

  8. #56
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    10,012
    Thanks
    14,124
    Thanked
    7,612
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Measles causes dirrhea and vomiting which causes dehydration, I'm guessing the bulk of hospital stays are due to that.

    I disagree that pertussis is way more dangerous, they are both scary and both bad. Up to a million people a year died from measles until mass world wide vaccinations were started in 2004, they have been going down since then and as of 2012 the death rate was 122,000. If anything it just shows how effective vaccines really are.

    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity22 View Post
    Measles must have gotten worse, there is no way 1 in 5 went to hospital when I was a kid (pre measles vaccines).

    Pertussis is way more dangerous.

  9. #57
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    10,012
    Thanks
    14,124
    Thanked
    7,612
    Reviews
    0
    Achievements:Topaz Star - 500 postsAmber Star - 2,000 postsAmethyst Star - 5,000 postsEmerald Star - 10,000 posts
    Awards:
    100 Posts in a week
    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity22 View Post
    Measles must have gotten worse, there is no way 1 in 5 went to hospital when I was a kid (pre measles vaccines).
    Pertussis is way more dangerous.
    I was wrong, in some outbreaks it is as much as 67%. In a Victorian outbreak in 2001 it was 57%, must depend on the strain.
    http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ma...1-cdi2501d.htm

  10. #58
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    2
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0
    Reviews
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by DeniG View Post
    Thanks for sharing those thoughts treasure. Enjoy your foreskin. Everyone needs a hobby. But since you are going to comment in public it needs to be noted that I've never seen an uncircumcised penis that looks like it has been in an arid region nor do I accept your assumptions about sexual enjoyment. I am aware that research on healthy males circumcised as an adult has 9 in 10 reporting increased sexual enjoyment. Finally I note that your post is in 2015 not 1960 so you you should be told that baby boys normally get an anaesthetic. (Just not a general one that carries added risks like older kids who need it for medical reasons. Maybe you read they don't get general anaesthetic and got mixed up.) Pain relief has long been recommended.
    thanks Denis,

    i am only writing what i have seen and heard, iam aware this issue is far from settled and all varieties of info is out there and still being mulled around. my perspective if of someone who circumcision has never been an issue for, i know that with an issue like this it can be hard to see the wood for the trees, its easy to drown in a sea of answers, so just painting the picture that if you leave well enough alone things can turn out quite ok and no complications. i did find your comment a little sarcastic


 

Similar Threads

  1. Know the risks of D&C's - Asherman's Syndrome
    By Starf1sh in forum Pregnancy Loss Support
    Replies: 256
    Last Post: 15-11-2016, 10:20
  2. Family tax benefits
    By maternidade in forum Family Finances
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 30-06-2014, 23:53

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
free weekly newsletters | sign up now!
who are these people who write great posts? meet our hubbub authors!
Learn how you can contribute to the hubbub!

reviews
learn how you can become a reviewer!

competitions

forum - chatting now
christmas gift guidesee all Red Stocking
Pyjamas.com.au
With so many gorgeous brands and styles for every season, our pyjamas, nighties, robes, sleepsuits and sleeping bags are lovely for lights out and perfect for lazy days. Get 10% off first order using code bubhub. Be quick offer ends 31/12/16.
sales & new stuffsee all
True Fairies
True Fairies is the first interactive website where children can engage and speak with a real fairy through the unique webcam fairy portal. Each session is tailored to the child, and is filled with enchantment and magic.
Visit website to find out more!
featured supporter
Little Rugby NSW
Catch, weave, chase, run, but most of all have FUN! Little Rugby runs a NSW network of fun, safe and non-contact footy classes for BOYS and GIRLS aged 2yrs – 7th birthday.
gotcha
X

Pregnant for the first-time?

Not sure where to start? We can help!

Our Insider Programs for pregnancy first-timers will lead you step-by-step through the 14 Pregnancy Must Dos!