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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    That might work on a few non vaxxers, but a majority would not trust a government sponsored ad campaign, they aren't just ignorant, they're often paranoid too
    I tend to agree with this. When you venture into a few vax debates or visit anti vax sites, the arguments put forward and the beliefs that are held, well they're just mind blowing. You just can't argue sense with those in tin foil hats.

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    Default Parents who don't vaccinate their children are set to lose FTA after the next...

    Quote Originally Posted by waterlily View Post

    Education is the key! .
    I don't know. It's part of the key. But there are some people that will never believe fact over fiction. You can't go into a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

    Perhaps hitting them in the hip pocket will work. Maybe not. At least it will give the Government extra $ to spend on someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loislane2010 View Post
    This whole thing is just utter cr@p. Most people who chose not to vaccinate would never let MONEY sway them. As people who chose TO vax wouldnt let it.

    More access to SINGLE vaccines rather than the combined ones.

    I dont have a problem with vaccines per se, my main issue is the fact that you cant choose which ones to give. I would have 100% given my babies the whooping cough one but it was unavailable as a single shot. 50% of the vaccines on the schedual are completely un necessary IMO.

    I worry in fact about alot of these diseases not being contracted in childhood. What does that mean for adults who catch chicken pox, measles, mumps etc??? Im sure alot of these diseases are in fact MUCH WORSE in adults hood!!!
    I would imagine the opposite, I think babies would struggle to over come diseases far more than adults, babues have a much weaker immune system and are physically weaker

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    I'm not sure that education is key. Because I think 'they' have tried that and it's failing. The staunch antivaxxers aren't interested in 'education'.
    I still agree with it in some form. Sure it may not hit his pockets of the wealthy. ..But I also don't think it will cause poverty. Those on low incomes will just have to go get their children vaccinated. Simple.
    Sure it takes away bodily autonomy but really. .. What child has bodily autonomy?
    I didn't ask my 4 weeks old baby or 6 month baby if she's wanted heart surgery. I chose for her. Just like I will continue to do as she grows.
    There are some decisions that children can't and shouldn't make, and some decisions that adults should make on behalf of the greater good.
    Something has to be done.

    As an aside..I watched the latest episode of Law and Order SVU (yep... Love that show.. And yes. ..I know it's not real) but it was about this very idea. Apparently vaccination is compulsory in NYC. I didn't know that or if it's true. But it was a law suit against a mother who falsified documents about vaccinating her child. ... And that child was patient 0 in a measles epidemic. They charged her with child endangerment.
    Sure it's fictional. ... But I thought it was a interesting story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    If I ruled the world, anyone who didn't vax their children on anything other than medically approved grounds would have to forgo the benefits of science in their lives. If you're going to deny established science then it should be consistently applied. (Children would be exempt.)
    I agree. I have a friend who doesn't vaccinate but then runs to hospital at the first sign of mild croup. Either you aren't afraid of VPD and don't want help from medical science or you do...it seems selfish to take possible whooping cough to the vulnerable in hospital emergency rooms when you've made the choice to put yourself at risk. I do acknowledge that I'm being a bit harsh here.

    As for a response to the original article, I'm in two minds. It seems a 'hot' topic atm so I'm suspicious about what the government is trying to divert our attention away from 😏...But that's another topic. I do believe it's not 'forcing' families to vaccinate and should see increased rates of vaccination. The increase in the Medicare levy is a great idea to target high income earners equally. Having said that it treads a fine line on your 'choice' to have control over medical procedures so I can see why it seems scary. I am fully immunised except for the HPV vaccine, which seems irrelevant for me as a monogomous woman without HPV. I'm not sure how I'd feel if someone pressured me into getting the HPV vaccine when I had already made the conscious decision not to have that one vaccine. It's a toughy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acadaca View Post
    I agree. I have a friend who doesn't vaccinate but then runs to hospital at the first sign of mild croup. Either you aren't afraid of VPD and don't want help from medical science or you do...it seems selfish to take possible whooping cough to the vulnerable in hospital emergency rooms when you've made the choice to put yourself at risk. I do acknowledge that I'm being a bit harsh here.
    That frustrates me to no end. Just like I find it frustrating and confusing how anti vaxxers will go on about the dangers of vaccines, how GPs are being bought off by pharma companies...... then will happily have their kids at the drs for AB's for an ear infection or other medical intervention. Aren't these the very vipers that are injecting 'lethal' and 'dangerous' vaxxes for financial kick backs??? That they may well be getting from the same pharma companies for AB drugs you are asking for??

    I'm also incensed when some have said on here in past debates if they were travelling overseas with their kids they would in fact vaccinate them, as they would if there was a severe outbreak and admit to riding off herd immunity. So the vax stops being dangerous when you really need it??


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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm also incensed when some have said on here in past debates if they were travelling overseas with their kids they would in fact vaccinate them, as they would if there was a severe outbreak and admit to riding off herd immunity. So the vax stops being dangerous when you really need it??

    In short, I believe so. I've said in the past that the vast majority of anti vaxers are very privileged. They don't know what it is to be really ill, to fight to live, to rely on modern medicine in order to wake up every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolly007 View Post
    then they should vax their kids. helping yourself to the welfare AND putting other kids at risk? I'm shocked at the self entitlement of some people.
    i dont think children deserve to suffer in poverty for their parents stupidity, nor do I think the govt should be able to treat poor people like **** and force them to do things agianst their will,

    Whats next? forced contraceptives, forced access to payments? both of which our current govt wants to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by KillerHeels View Post
    Im all for it. I also believe that if you choose to not vaccinate then you should not be entitled to free health care. If you are quite willing to spread disease then don't put your hand out to receive free help!

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    and if youre over weight, smoke, choose to get pregnant etc

    All put strain on our societies economy after all

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    I've read through most posts and I agree with most.

    I do think that rather than taking benefits, something aimed more at childcare and schooling would be more efficient in encouraging people to vaccinate. The wealthy would have to pull their heads out of the sand then. It would also really benefit immunosuppressed children.

    If this benefit cut were to effect medically exempt children then I'd be upset.

    Which puts me in two minds about aiming rules at CC and schooling. My DS is immunosuppressed due to organ transplant at 19 months old, so isn't able to have any live vaccines. He's also anaphylactic to egg so can't receive those vaccines either.

    If an unvaccinated child gave my son (nearing 7yo) whooping cough, he could be on death row, even after being vaccinated.

    I hate that my son remains unvaccinated, because he's one of the children more likely to be taken out by a child who's parents decided that 'science is wrong'.

    I can't fathom why a parent wouldn't want to prevent another's child from dying in any way possible. Or their own for that matter.

    And for the record, I lived in Lismore for 25 years and the place was rampant. All demographics carried it around. A big part of moving away was my concern for our son when taking him out in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThenThereWereThree View Post
    and if youre over weight, smoke, choose to get pregnant etc

    All put strain on our societies economy after all
    But that's the strain of that one person that is overweight, smokes etc. When you pass on WC or CP to 20 people, including the the young and sick, that's 20 people who need specialist care. Not just one person with diabetes from being overweight.

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