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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyBovine View Post
    I disagree with this - I see the proposal as punishing children by placing them at risk of poverty over decisions made by their parents.

    I can't help but feel that this plan is more about saving welfare $ and not about increasing vaccination rates as it is only targeting low income earners.

    If the government were serious about increasing vaccination rates, they could employ methods that would reach more non vaxers eg impose a higher medicare levy or decrease ccr.
    you're probably right. it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. plus, as others have pointed out/proven in this thread, a lot of non-vaxxers won't necessarily be getting family tax benefits anyway.

    non vaxxing really really bothers me. I find it so rude and offensive.

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    I have both of my son's vaccinated and very pro Vax as I have seen first hand the effect of whopping cough from a family in my home town thankfully she survived but it was awful to watch.
    What annoys me is when between the doctor surgery, medicare, the immunization register and family services they can't manage to get their systems up to date as to who is and isn't up to date. I had all my ccb and ccr stopped and my ds2 kindy as their records showed he wasn't up to date with his vacancies imagine my shock when I got my statement and it said I owed $900 instead of my normal $160. Thankfully it is all sorted now and back dated for me but really annoying because I am doing the right thing but also goes to show they are also doing their job and will cut all benefits if they think you are not up to date with your child's vaccinations

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    It's a good measure, it should definitely be paired with Medicare Levi's to incentivise everyone, not just the poor (plus it kind of implies the poor are the only ones not vaccinating and we all know that's not true).
    Also I wouldn't call someone who didn't grasp basic risk vs benefit educated.
    As a side note I hate the comparison of vaccinating to obesity. One, the obese don't kill or injure random vulnerable citizens. Two, it's not as simple as getting an injection, there are many factors at play in the obesity epidemic (hormonal, emotional, psychological, some people are just confused about proper nutrition, which is really easy btw).
    In the end it's the kids that suffer (and the ill and elderly), by giving in to hysteria they are putting others at risk and having payments ended should be the least of these peoples worries.

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    I'm all for it BUT I would much prefer someone that affected everyone not just the poor!!

    Me, DH and DD all got whooping cough a few years ago (Mine and DH's immunity had run out)

    Me and DH were so sick for months!!! Coughing till blood come up, coughing till we passed out, we both lost our voices for weeks! It was the most horrible illness I have ever been though in my life. It affected us for over a year. DD was full vaxxed and got an irritable cough and fever for a few weeks. We were told being vaxxed saved her life as she would have got as sick as us otherwise. There is no way a toddler let alone a baby could have lived through what we had.

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    Im all for it. I also believe that if you choose to not vaccinate then you should not be entitled to free health care. If you are quite willing to spread disease then don't put your hand out to receive free help!

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    You know what. The more I think about it the more I don't agree with it.

    The government are not doing this to solve to problem, they are using this as an excuse to make money period.

    This is only going to affect a small amount of non vaxxers and it may not even work!! If it was more targeted to all vaxxers... Maybe.

    Education is the key! The government can't and shouldn't be allowed to force anyone to be vaccinated but they should be using the right education to get the non vaxxes to see that these theories that people are shouting out are just not true, there is no evidence to back up any of their claims.

    You should never be allowed to take away a persons choice or their choice to make decisions for their children but instead EDUCATE them into making the right decisions.

    Unfortunately I don't think I have worded what I am thinking very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterlily View Post
    You know what. The more I think about it the more I don't agree with it.

    The government are not doing this to solve to problem, they are using this as an excuse to make money period.

    This is only going to affect a small amount of non vaxxers and it may not even work!! If it was more targeted to all vaxxers... Maybe.

    Education is the key! The government can't and shouldn't be allowed to force anyone to be vaccinated but they should be using the right education to get the non vaxxes to see that these theories that people are shouting out are just not true, there is no evidence to back up any of their claims.

    You should never be allowed to take away a persons choice or their choice to make decisions for their children but instead EDUCATE them into making the right decisions.

    Unfortunately I don't think I have worded what I am thinking very well.
    That might work on a few non vaxxers, but a majority would not trust a government sponsored ad campaign, they aren't just ignorant, they're often paranoid too

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    This whole thing is just utter cr@p. Most people who chose not to vaccinate would never let MONEY sway them. As people who chose TO vax wouldnt let it.

    More access to SINGLE vaccines rather than the combined ones.

    I dont have a problem with vaccines per se, my main issue is the fact that you cant choose which ones to give. I would have 100% given my babies the whooping cough one but it was unavailable as a single shot. 50% of the vaccines on the schedual are completely un necessary IMO.

    I worry in fact about alot of these diseases not being contracted in childhood. What does that mean for adults who catch chicken pox, measles, mumps etc??? Im sure alot of these diseases are in fact MUCH WORSE in adults hood!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amiedoll View Post
    That might work on a few non vaxxers, but a majority would not trust a government sponsored ad campaign, they aren't just ignorant, they're often paranoid too
    Unfortunately hitting the extremists in the pocket likely won't work either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
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    I'm a firm believer in bodily autonomy, I'm going to make that clear. It's a very important right. But when you weight that, which let's be honest is a first world right, against the right for the most vulnerable to be safe and not be infected by preventable illness... well to me it's no contest. Doesn't mean autonomy isn't important, just that it's trumped here.
    I don't want to start anything... I agree with your words ... can't help but think though that they can be applied to another controversial thread regarding bodily autonomy.


 
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