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    Ffrenchknickers I have empathy for you.

    My children are vaccinated (as am I, fully up to date with everything including flu vax which I wonder how many people who are supportive of these measures are).

    I don't agree this is the way to go. I'm friends with several anti vaxers and they won't vax even with these changes. Underground babysitting/child care is being set up amongst these groups. I don't know how much the supplements are so I'm not across that it seems the CCR and CCB is the biggest concern for many.

    Free,informed consent is vital for any medical procedure, tying financial penalties to vaccination removes true free informed consent IMO.

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    I'm sorry fknickers, but it's hard to muster sympathy for you in regards to a government supplement. You may be doing it tough right now but it sounds like it's more a consequence of living beyond your current means. Complaining that your son cannot travel to Europe if you loose a government payment is a bit laughable. I am sorry for your son and your baby and that you are currently unwell but this all has to do with a choice based on YOUR fear and nothing else. It sounds like some of your children are old enough to perhaps make the decision to be vaxxed themselves, why not take them to a GP to have the benefits and risks explained to them and let them decide?

    Some children (but it is rare) suffer from extreme adverse reactions to a fever (40 degrees is pretty friggin high, I'm not sure why you think it is not), the brain damage is caused from the fever, NOT the vaccine. I also know somebody whose son suffered brain damage due to a fever he had as a toddler, I have seen how hard they've worked to improve his quality of life. Many children in these circumstances cannot be vaccinated due to being immunosuppressed so depend on everyone else being vaccinated to keep them safe. There was actually a child on the documentary JABBED who had the same thing happen as your friends, you should watch because if I recall, the parents were still pro-vax because their son depends on others to keep him healthy.

    California recently passed a law no longer allowing conscientious objectors to attend school, I'm all for it. Vaccinating is a public safety concern, there are people who genuinely depend on us to be vaccinated to keep themselves healthy. I'm all about the government doing what they can to limit the spread of vaccine preventable diseases.

    DH's mom was a pediatric nurse and has seen children die from encephalitis caused from measles and chicken pox. I found her great help when I needed to speak about any anxiety I had regarding DS' vaccinations.
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    sorry but the number of "adverse reactions" you hear about are so few and far between compared to the well documented cases of bubs dying from easily preventable diseases that a simple vaccination can help to prevent.

    I'd rather take my slim chances on an adverse reaction than a dead or critically ill bub.

    the light for Riley story breaks my heart.

    I think it's very easy these days to get a bit granola and believe vaccinations are more of a risk than the diseases they help prevent. our generation is fortunate never to have lived through polio epidemics and seen the devastation these diseases cause. it's therefore easy to gloss over the dangers of not vaxxing.

    I believe any parent has a choice of what they do with their kids. my personal opinion is that it's bloody stupid and ignorant to think it's ok not to vax and even worse, to bring your unvaccinated child to a childcare centre where they may endanger other kids.

    I don't think the no jab no pay is THE answer. but it's a step in the right direction.

    maybe there could be non-vaxxer childcare centers so those who choose to protect their kids from the scourge of disease don't need to worry about the latest WC epidemic. it's unfair of non-vaxxers to impose their choices indirectly onto those who do vaxx by potentially exposing vaccinated kids to the diseases the vaccinating parents have opted to try and protect their children against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ffrenchknickers View Post
    I don't really know how it works either as it's the first time for us but at the moment it is keeping us afloat paying for two houses.

    Sure, we could tell our 11 year old who was just chosen out of the whole of Brisbane to go to Spain on the u12 soccer team that he can't go, but that's not going to happen, im not going to steal his dreams because my body is faulty!😓

    We have already had to make a lot of sacrifices due to me not working, this was not part of the plan. I hate myself so much for being sick.

    I just can't read anymore. I support all human beings even if we have different beliefs, I am clearly terrified out of my brain for my gorgeous gorgeous family and people can still be harsh and not even try to understand.
    not sure I follow but is your son potentially being held back from the Spain trip due to not being vaccinated or because of financial reasons?

    if you're relying on the ftb to be able to send him but you've actively chosen to not vaccinate, then to me, something doesn't compute.

    the government is well within its rights to regulate to whom welfare payments are distributed. if you choose not to fit the criteria to continue receiving the benefits you need, then I think it's a little rich to get upset about it.

    the benefits families receive are issued by the government, they therefore are entitled to set the rules about who receives what and what the eligibility criteria are.

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    Default Parents who don't vaccinate their children are set to lose FTA after the next...

    It's a good thing we now live in a world where people are scared about their kids getting an hypothetical adverse reactions to a vaccination rather than dying from measles, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis or pneumonia...

    That's the real problem. People are not scared of those illnesses anymore, they don't seem real and they don't know any kids who's died from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ffrenchknickers View Post

    As for what I've seen. A family close to us had two perfectly healthy sons, a few years apart. First one after his 4 year old vaccinations became wheelchair bound, unable to communicate or function as a normal kid. He had a fever of 40 degrees and it was blamed on the fever! A fever of 40 degrees does NOT cause that or any kind of damage. Same thing happened with the second son as they chose to vaccinate him believing 'the professionals' telling them it was the fever. It's absolutely awful. And there's more, but I'm off to my sons primary school graduation.
    I understand your fear, I watched a 6 month old die in front of my eyes from complications of an rsv infection turned into bronchiolitis,

    I watched her fight all night only to take her last breath and die,
    subsequently any cough terrifies me, Ive spent the last 2 1/2 weeks awake half the night with fear because we have been exposed to whooping cough and my toddler developed a persistent cough after (he doesnt have it)

    So I understand the fear of 'this could be me'

    high fevers can be extremely damaging, particularly if they cause a febrile convulsion, given the first childs reaction the second should've been monitored by gp after the vaccinations and given medication to prevent a fever, I dont understand why that didn't happen?

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    Default Parents who don't vaccinate their children are set to lose FTA after the next...

    This is the most frustrating thread I have read in ages. If you want the money vaccinate. If you don't want to vaccinate then don't.
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    Can I just point out something I'm not sure you've considered op?

    There is not a chance in hell I would let my child travel to a foreign country without vaccinations. The only reason your gorgeous kids don't get sick here as we have luckily eradicated most diseases through vaccination. In a foreign country? No way, wouldn't risk it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Can I just point out something I'm not sure you've considered op?

    There is not a chance in hell I would let my child travel to a foreign country without vaccinations. The only reason your gorgeous kids don't get sick here as we have luckily eradicated most diseases through vaccination. In a foreign country? No way, wouldn't risk it.
    I think Spain is pretty safe in that regard. I could be wrong, but it's Spain, not a developing country.

    I am pro-vax, and find the self pity Spain story a bit hard to absorb...but I think people probably need to stop and take a breather. There's a lot of comments aimed at one person who has stated they unwell. If that's mentally unwell these posts might be doing more damage than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full House View Post
    I think Spain is pretty safe in that regard. I could be wrong, but it's Spain, not a developing country.

    I am pro-vax, and find the self pity Spain story a bit hard to absorb...but I think people probably need to stop and take a breather. There's a lot of comments aimed at one person who has stated they unwell. If that's mentally unwell these posts might be doing more damage than good.
    For me, it's more the traveling unvaccinated than the country, airplanes are like giant tubes of germs! To me the danger is having an unvaccinated child on an incredibly long overseas flight in a giant tube of germs of people where some may be carrying a VPD. That would freak me out! The UK is a developed nation but has rising cases of measles. Our council in London does the second dose of MMR at 18 months due to recent cases and children needing to be protected earlier. They also give the tuberculosis vax to newborns here as it's rife in parts of London.
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