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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I don't really know how it works afterwards, but at the time of vaccine its not really conscientiously objecting - you just sign a consent form saying that you do or don't wish for your baby to receive the newborn hepatitis vaccination.

    No one specifically grants a conscientious objection for it.......
    hmm maybe hep b is not counted? I know if i dont have an up to date immunisation cert or an up to date c/o form centrelink threaten to cut ccb / ccr and payments til its fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalle View Post
    Don't anti vaxxers need to have the conscientious objector forms signed by a doctor? Should we also be looking at the doctors who are signing these forms? If the message is that there is literally no medical reason not to vaccinate then no doctor should agree with a parents decision not to vaccinate.
    Doctors ARE signing these forms, that in its self should be enough for alot of you 'doctors know everything' people to ask a question. Why would they even humor the idea of not vaccinating???

    Many doctors i have come across are quite open about NOT vaccinating, especially at birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumwannabe View Post
    For the record JW's are not anti vax
    Oh thanks I wasn't sure if they allowed it or not, but thought they may not because of the blood issue.

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    Drs aren't giving permission or approving of not vaxxing. They are simply signing off that the parent has been informed of the risks. Currently in Aust parents are allowed to not vaccinate. Signing the form doesn't equal support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loislane2010 View Post
    Doctors ARE signing these forms, that in its self should be enough for alot of you 'doctors know everything' people to ask a question. Why would they even humor the idea of not vaccinating???

    Many doctors i have come across are quite open about NOT vaccinating, especially at birth.
    They're signing them because in Australia we have a right to refuse medical treatment.

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    I totally support vaccinations but I am concerned about people freedom of choice. I can't help but feel this is a little stunt by Abbot to gain some street cred with voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    I would imagine they would be signing them if they felt confident that the parents had all of the information of risks and benefits of having the vaccine and not having the vaccine and were able to make an informed choice regarding it......
    They sign them to say yes I gave them the information and but still refused the vaccinations. Same way if you refuse care in hospital you have to sign a form saying you are aware of the risks of refusing treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elleandsam View Post
    They sign them to say yes I gave them the information and but still refused the vaccinations. Same way if you refuse care in hospital you have to sign a form saying you are aware of the risks of refusing treatment.
    Exactly! I work with doctors and they pretty much have to sign them. Then they tell us how they tried to reason with them but just couldn't break through
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    ^^ just chiming in with the medical profession signing off on no vaxing; you would not believe the amount of nurses, midwives and obs at my local hospital who looked after my antenatal care during my third pregnancy who said "two children on the spectrum? There's no way in hell i'd be vaxxing this baby" "you dont have to vaxx, dont let anyone pressure you" "you're already dealing with so much, could you really deal with another special needs child?" "If it was me, i wouldnt vax this one"

    At least 7 people said these things to me.

    I told my GP this and he said if i was worried, he would support my decision either way as he had seen some questionable results from vaxxs.

    However; id prefer a daughter with autism (which she does have ha!) than a daughter who died from a decision i made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie_eyes View Post
    However; id prefer a daughter with autism (which she does have ha!) than a daughter who died from a decision i made.
    Well said.

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