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    Also Beebs just having a scan re: Rotavirus vaccines. RotaTeq is actually the vaccine used to replace the one which had unacceptably high rates of intussusception. The problematic one was Rotashield. With estimated rates of 1 in 12,000 affected.

    In 1998, a rotavirus vaccine (RotaShield, by Wyeth) was licensed for use in the United States. Clinical trials in the United States, Finland, and Venezuela had found it to be 80 to 100% effective at preventing severe diarrhea caused by rotavirus A, and researchers had detected no statistically significant serious adverse effects. The manufacturer of the vaccine, however, withdrew it from the market in 1999, after it was discovered that the vaccine may have contributed to an increased risk for intussusception, or bowel obstruction, in one of every 12,000 vaccinated infants.
    Many apologies for the wiki quote - it wouldn't stand up in an assessment, I know! But I'm sure the reference trail can be verified by those with more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    This article pulls together different studies down on Rotavirus vaccines and intussusception.

    Please not - it was never an unacceptable risk - it has always been considered very low, it is now even lower since the introduction of the new vaccines.

    PS- I've had intussusception 4 times as an adult - and I've never had rotavirus fax

    http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/Vaccines/43791
    Interesting. Thanks. My case was serious. I had an emergency flight to a better hospital and almost died. I had lots of dead bowel cut out and have a nice big scar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Are there religions that forbid vaccinations?
    There are religions that forbid all sorts of medical procedures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamasupial View Post
    Interesting. Thanks. My case was serious. I had an emergency flight to a better hospital and almost died. I had lots of dead bowel cut out and have a nice big scar.
    i was born with bowel obstructions, lost 30 cm of bowel and intestines and have a lovely scar as well, wonder if we have similar scars

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThenThereWereThree View Post
    i was born with bowel obstructions, lost 30 cm of bowel and intestines and have a lovely scar as well, wonder if we have similar scars
    Mine is about 30cms long from just above my belly button, across to my right side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamasupial View Post
    Mine is about 30cms long from just above my belly button, across to my right side.
    mine is similar only goes about 15 cm either side of the belly button guess it depends on where the surgeons needed to go?

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    I don't know if this measure will work or not. A big part of me thinks not though.

    A few notes from going through the thread:

    Comparing vaccinations to obesity...really? Yes, obesity related illness is putting a strain on the medical system but how overweight a person is isn't contagious or life threatening to anyone else. A comparison just can't be made there.

    Bodily autonomy: I'm big on bodily autonomy (which is why my son is not circumcised and why he gets to choose his clothes and hair style) but there are some things that just need to be up to the discretion of the parent for the general health and wellbeing of the child. As parents, DH and I choose what food we have in the house because if DS chose he'd be eating junk food all the time. Not only would he be missing out of essential vitamins and minerals but he could likely end up obese or having some pretty serious health issues. We choose to treat him with medications when he is sick because he doesn't have the knowledge to understand the illness or how the medications work. We made the decision for both of his surgeries to go ahead. If the first one didn't happen he would have died. His appendix was already gangrene when it was take out. The second one wasn't life threatening but has improved his hearing out of sight and, thus, improved his schooling. So it's great to think that a person should have the right to choose what happens to them but there are times, as a parent, that you (general you) need to be making the right decision for your child on their part.

    Catching VPDs to prevent adult cases: I don't agree with that theory. While the majority of childhood cases will survive even more of the adult cases will survive. Is it really worth risking your child's life for the chance that they will have a life time immunity. And I say chance there for a reason. My brother had CP as a child but has gone on to have shingles several times as an adult because his body isn't building up an immunity to it.
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    I wonder whether the people who refuse the Hep B vaccine at birth, but still continue to fully vaccinate their children afterwards will not be eligible for Centrelink?
    Or say the rotavirus vaccine?
    Only reason I ask is that you cannot give these vaccines after that time period is passed so you can never really be "fully immunised". I only ask as I know of a lot of women (especially with their first babies when they are new mothers and anxious) at the hospital I work at refuse the Hep B at birth, but then go on to fully vaccinate. It would be unfair for them to miss out on benefits because of this.

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    Don't anti vaxxers need to have the conscientious objector forms signed by a doctor? Should we also be looking at the doctors who are signing these forms? If the message is that there is literally no medical reason not to vaccinate then no doctor should agree with a parents decision not to vaccinate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamasupial View Post
    Interesting. Thanks. My case was serious. I had an emergency flight to a better hospital and almost died. I had lots of dead bowel cut out and have a nice big scar.
    I'm so sorry if it sounded like I was minimising your experience, I wasn't trying to at all. intussusception is one of the scariest, most agonisingly painful and dangerous things anyone can go through. The rotavax was only introduced to the schedule in 2007, so I just meant you were probably just one of the unlucky ones who got it just because. Sorry again.

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