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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    As I hold my 2 week old I feel quite distressed reading that, despite reading it several times in the past. Just awful
    I feel very distressed reading that and many other quotes from tizzie hall I have read too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I never CC'ed and my kids slept through at 6 and 8 weeks. Both demand fed, both raised with child centred beliefs. I think it's a misnomer to say those that don't sleep train have crappy sleepers.

    I think Clementine hit the nail on the head as to why so many are offended by TH. Bc some of us believe a tiny baby shouldn't have the job of fitting around grown adults to make their lives easier. Rather it's our job to tend to their needs, especially when they are so small.
    SOS isn't controlled crying.

    When done right it helps you to meet bubs needs before bub has a chance to get upset. My bub never cried for a feed and doesn't cry at sleep time. Sometimes he cries when he poops but that's another story and SOS wasn't designed to address it! So for me at least it was about meeting bubs needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    As I hold my 2 week old I feel quite distressed reading that, despite reading it several times in the past. Just awful
    I can't remember where in the book this advice was but I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to a 2 week old. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

    It is terrible advice though I agree. But it is possible to still follow SOS and not take this advice if you're not comfortable with it. I think that's where the advice of take the bits you feel comfortable with / like and leave the rest.

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    I'm still reading through but my biggest advice is to just wait until your baby is here and find a book that suits your parenting style once you actually know what it is because you finally have that little person in your arms. I was a night nanny so was super strict with routines and had read many books, I had grand plans. Once that little nugget was in my arms it flew out the window. I still followed a routine but one that was much more baby and mom friendly. I really enjoyed Jo Ryan's Babybliss. Her routine is similar to Tizzie's time wise but her methods are a bit more laid back, she leaves a lot to you and kind of just gives you a guideline.

    From what I can tell Tizzie's book has changed a lot from her first edition. My close friend followed it to the T with a baby the same age as DS and she definitely had sections that said to let a kettle boil before responding to the baby.

    What harvs said as well about interpreting crying. There was a thread last year before you joined where a few members posted YouTube videos of babies crying/self soothing. The opinions from every member about how distressed the babies were varied GREATLY and I think that's one if the issues with Tizzie, she can say she's not advocating leaving to cry but it's really all up to interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    As I hold my 2 week old I feel quite distressed reading that, despite reading it several times in the past. Just awful
    This is for older babies and kids - I can see why it would distress you when thinking about a 2 week old. Who can and do poop, pee and vomit on cue. Just the other day my firstborne got in trouble at daycare so he sat in a corner and shat his pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    From what I can tell Tizzie's book has changed a lot from her first edition. My close friend followed it to the T with a baby the same age as DS and she definitely had sections that said to let a kettle boil before responding to the baby.
    With the kettle thing, yes she did. It says if bub is fighting sleep and your stressed out, leave the room and boil the kettle so your frustration does not stir up the baby even more. Usually by the time the kettle is half boiled bub will be asleep. I think it was meant as more of a tool for keeping your sanity when you are getting stressed out more then ignoring the babys needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    Ok, I'll play. If you want to get technical I didn't say TH actually says this, my post was:


    So you've converted from vocal atheist to observant Christian? Interesting.
    I'm not feeling the love tonight on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post

    Read a few books @heplusme and pick the seeds of truth which work for you and your family.
    This 1000 times!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clementine Grace View Post
    I think this (and I'm sure someone will know the answer) is a tizzie hall quote from the original version of sos.

    For me, I'd never take any advice from someone who thinks babies vomit to get attention. I don't believe babies manipulate you. That's just me though and I know others will disagree.

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    As i said in my OP, this isnt about personal agendas...as in "i dont like Tizzie Hall". Ive only read the new edition of the book and to be honest the politics surrounding her earlier editions make no difference to me. I need help and advice about the current routines

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    This is for older babies and kids - I can see why it would distress you when thinking about a 2 week old. Who can and do poop, pee and vomit on cue. Just the other day my firstborne got in trouble at daycare so he sat in a corner and shat his pants.
    A "baby" is generally somewhere in the realm of 0-12 months old. Maybe older in some measures. It would be distressing for me to ignore a 4 month old, a 7 month old, a 13 month old who was vomiting to apparently get attention or manipulate me.

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