Having some issues with dd1 age 8. Dp thinks I need to spend more time with her which I agree with (actually he blames everything on me but that's another story!). We also have 5 yo and 9mth old and been reading the routine thread and wonder what kind of 'play' kids do/ what's your involvement? I used to play heaps when they were babies and toddlers but now I'm more the onlooker but I kind of think that's normal by this age? I get in the pool with them, walk while they ride bikes, read, try and chat, try and find common interest with dd like taking to cafes / doing nails etc but I don't usually run around the garden or do rough play like Dp does. Dd is a difficult demanding child and we clash a lot. I'm trying to find ways of reconnecting with her but I feel at 8 she should be appreciating that we don't have to enjoy the same things to love each other. She likes me watching her doing flips on the trampoline or baking so I'm trying to find time. Sorry losing my original train of thought. Guess I just wonder what kind of play your school kids tend to and how much you are involved? Yesterday Dp had rare day off (usually gone 7-7) and baby was asleep after school so I played sport games with dd - ds got bored and went inside. When bub woke up Dp took them out riding bikes while I looked after bub. Then I made dinner. We had no hitting or tantrums or name calling from dd but she played her games outside all afternoon and then ate her favourite dinner. That's not achievable on most school days. I figure I can probably fit in 30 minutes - 1 hour on non activity days and push dinner out to 6 or find those elusive quick but healthy meals that can be whipped up in a flash. Just need some realistic play ideas for baby + 5&8 yo!