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    Do you think he could be getting a bit cold? 4/5am is usually the coldest part of the night, a common cause of waking.
    If he settles after a bottle at 4am then I would be inclined to give it to him too.

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    My DD slept through the night from 4.5 months old....Until she turned 14 months and got her molars and started waking 4 times and night and for the next year she woke minimum once a night. My point is firstly, I feel for you - it truly sux getting up during the night, and secondly, you can't predict these beautiful children of ours! I thought I had it sorted after sleep training but she still managed to be a terrible sleeper as a toddler. If she did't wake during the night she would be up bright as a button from 5:30am So, do what works for you (a small cup of milk if that works) to make life easier and try let go of making them conform into what we are told they "should" be doing. Best of luck, I hope you get an uninterrupted night soon!

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    Does bub have any medical issues or difficulties with solid intake?
    I am going to go against the tide and say that unless there are medical issues most babies do not need a night bottle at 12 months for physical nourishment.

    Assuming there are no medical issues at play then bub is most likely waking from either:

    1) habit : in which case a bit if tough love is needed. If you want to stop bub from waking at 4am for a feed you will need to stop giving that feed (either cold turkey or slowly winding back by cutting the milk in each feed and delaying giving the feed a little each night ). I know it's tough in the beginning: time any attempts to stop for nights when you are not working the next day. And be prepared for it to take a week or so before bub gets used to a change in routine. If you are able to tough it out for a week, then bub sleeping through the night could very well be your reward.

    2) sleep aid. If bub is aided to sleep (milk, cuddle, pat, music etc) then this can lead to night waking (when the heaviest part of the sleep is over bub might stir and think 'where's that boob/cuddle ?". Aim for 20 mins active play between the milk feed and bed time.

    3) cold. What is the temp in bubs room at bedtime and when bub wakes? What is bub dressed in/what bedding is used etc?

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    I would keep giving him the bottle if he settles after it. It seems that he still needs it.

    He will grow out of it eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Does bub have any medical issues or difficulties with solid intake?
    I am going to go against the tide and say that unless there are medical issues most babies do not need a night bottle at 12 months for physical nourishment.

    Assuming there are no medical issues at play then bub is most likely waking from either:

    1) habit : in which case a bit if tough love is needed. If you want to stop bub from waking at 4am for a feed you will need to stop giving that feed (either cold turkey or slowly winding back by cutting the milk in each feed and delaying giving the feed a little each night ). I know it's tough in the beginning: time any attempts to stop for nights when you are not working the next day. And be prepared for it to take a week or so before bub gets used to a change in routine. If you are able to tough it out for a week, then bub sleeping through the night could very well be your reward.

    2) sleep aid. If bub is aided to sleep (milk, cuddle, pat, music etc) then this can lead to night waking (when the heaviest part of the sleep is over bub might stir and think 'where's that boob/cuddle ?". Aim for 20 mins active play between the milk feed and bed time.

    3) cold. What is the temp in bubs room at bedtime and when bub wakes? What is bub dressed in/what bedding is used etc?
    Hi there and thank you for your response. To answer your questions I am trying to only give him water when he wakes now as I am hoping he may get bored of that. I put bubs to sleep about 20mins after a bottle and story. I give him a kiss and say goodnight and leave the room. He goes down no problems. The temp in his room is all over the shop. His room is always the hottest and coldest of that makes sense. He is dressed in a onesie with long sleeves and a sleeping bag. I have tried covering him with a blanket but he moves around far to much and kicks it off. I normally have the window open when he goes to bed or if its really hot the air con is on. I turn these off before I go to bed. So I guess he could be cold but if I dress him in anymore layers at bedtime he would be to hot.

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    I'm going to suggest a dream feed before you go to bed. Break the habit of 4 am by giving him that drink he is waking for. If you can see a difference after a week go with it. If not then it's not for the drink. I feel for you.

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    If it works, I would give the bottle. Or I may first try to gradually reduce the amount in it so he gets used to having less, then none. If that doesn't work, I'd give the bottle!! My kids didn't sleep through til well past 12 months old, still have patches of waking up now. So just do what works in my opinion!!

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    If he is taking a bottle and then continues to sleep then I would say that this is a clear indication that he still needs a feed at that time. This is how he communicates to you.

    My DD slept through the night 3 times from birth until she was 2 and barely had any day sleeps. No medical issues, not too hot, not too cold, all other variables accounted for. She is now a very spunky and switched on 4 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sookie Stackedhouse View Post
    I'm going to suggest a dream feed before you go to bed. Break the habit of 4 am by giving him that drink he is waking for. If you can see a difference after a week go with it. If not then it's not for the drink. I feel for you.
    I would advise against introducing a dream feed at this age - you will just be replacing one unnecessary habit with another.

    Dreamfeeds can be weaned approximately 6 weeks after a bub is fully established on solids (3 meals a day, including protein). So approx 6-8 months depending on bubs solid intake.

    I don't mean to harp on however at 1 year of age it is very unlikely that a bub actually needs a 4:30am feed for physical sustainment. Addressing the root cause (habit, cold, insufficient solid intake) is likely to yield sleeping through much earlier.

    Of course if the OP is happy with overnight feeding, that's totally ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTMumma View Post
    Hi there and thank you for your response. To answer your questions I am trying to only give him water when he wakes now as I am hoping he may get bored of that. I put bubs to sleep about 20mins after a bottle and story. I give him a kiss and say goodnight and leave the room. He goes down no problems. The temp in his room is all over the shop. His room is always the hottest and coldest of that makes sense. He is dressed in a onesie with long sleeves and a sleeping bag. I have tried covering him with a blanket but he moves around far to much and kicks it off. I normally have the window open when he goes to bed or if its really hot the air con is on. I turn these off before I go to bed. So I guess he could be cold but if I dress him in anymore layers at bedtime he would be to hot.
    Trying water may be a good start. Others have also had success with delaying giving bub something a little each night. Eg wait 2 minutes he first night, 5 the next, 10 the next. Doing a shush/pat technique at the same time (being careful to make sure you stop before bub actually falls asleep) may help.

    Can you get a gro-egg for bubs room so you can monitor the temp? Knowing the exact temp and how it varies through the night can really help work out what's going on.

    What tog is bubs sleeping bag? What is the sleeping bag made of (polyester/cotton/bamboo etc). Is bubs mattress protector all cotton? Those microfiber and polyester ones can cause bub to sweat which can in turn cause bub to wake from cold.

    I feel your pain with blankets, temperature variations etc. In the heat of summer I would have bub in a long sleeve onesie, a 1.0 tog bag, window would be open and aircon on. When I went to bed I would shut the window, turn the aircon off. I would also set a thermostat controlled panel heater in bubs room to 22/23 - it would usually kick in about 3am or so. That way I wouldn't have to worry about layering bub up when it was still hot (when I went to bed).


 

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