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    I thought JK was gearing up for Ron/Luna, myself. Luna seemed to have a bit of a thing for Ron, then Ron came out with a line somewhere along the lines of showing a fondness of sorts towards her (can't remember exactly, might've been in HBP). Luna would've fit in well with the Weasleys too, lol. And I totally thought that Ginny would be with Neville in the end. He went out of his way to protect/defend her on more than one occasion, and she tried to boost his confidence. It would have been very sweet, and a nice bit of character development for Ginny (something she was very sorely lacking), in that as a kid she pined for the famous Harry Potter for superficial reasons, but goes on to realise fame/talent/popularity aren't the qualities she should be looking for in a guy, and that the sweet, bumbling dude who trod on her toes at the Yule Ball might be just who she is really looking for. <3

    But no, she had to retain the Mary-Sue persona that was rammed down our throats from OotP onwards.... sigh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sariele View Post
    I thought JK was gearing up for Ron/Luna, myself. Luna seemed to have a bit of a thing for Ron, then Ron came out with a line somewhere along the lines of showing a fondness of sorts towards her (can't remember exactly, might've been in HBP). Luna would've fit in well with the Weasleys too, lol. And I totally thought that Ginny would be with Neville in the end. He went out of his way to protect/defend her on more than one occasion, and she tried to boost his confidence. It would have been very sweet, and a nice bit of character development for Ginny (something she was very sorely lacking), in that as a kid she pined for the famous Harry Potter for superficial reasons, but goes on to realise fame/talent/popularity aren't the qualities she should be looking for in a guy, and that the sweet, bumbling dude who trod on her toes at the Yule Ball might be just who she is really looking for. <3

    But no, she had to retain the Mary-Sue persona that was rammed down our throats from OotP onwards.... sigh!
    STAHP IT!!! You're ruining all the canon for me with you sensible assessments of the characters!

    I was thinking the other day that Ginny was a total Mary-Sue. I guess there had to be a reason that Harry completely ignored the brilliant witch that was his best friend for the girl that first loved him BECAUSE he was Harry Potter.

    It's kind of like Natalie Hanson. She married Taylor Hanson but she started off as a fan of the band and would follow them around on tour with her best friend, Kate...who married Zac. Living the dream!

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    What does canon mean, I only know it as a camera brand I'm confused :-/

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    Afaik it just refers to the part of the fictional universe that was imagined and created by the author rather than the fanfic additions or speculation that doesn't come from JK's mouth.

    That's what it meant before I got old anyway. But that was before 'ship' was a verb :-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Afaik it just refers to the part of the fictional universe that was imagined and created by the author rather than the fanfic additions or speculation that doesn't come from JK's mouth.

    That's what it meant before I got old anyway. But that was before 'ship' was a verb :-p
    Ah thanks that makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Afaik it just refers to the part of the fictional universe that was imagined and created by the author rather than the fanfic additions or speculation that doesn't come from JK's mouth.

    That's what it meant before I got old anyway. But that was before 'ship' was a verb :-p
    Pfffft, you're not that old! Yup, that's exactly right. Everything is fair game until the author declares something to be true so like if someone said that Dumbledore and McGonagall were knocking boots that's all good but then JK said that Dumbledore was gay so now that's canon and any Dumblegall (is this even a ship?) fans would be all "boo, so that wasn't a thing!". You can still ship it if you like but deep down you know you're wrong!

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    @FrothyFrog - Oh yay! I always feel like such an outcast in terms of my 'shipping views. Nice to find a kindred spirit! :Highfive:


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    STAHP IT!!! You're ruining all the canon for me with you sensible assessments of the characters!
    My pleasure.

    Related tangent warning: I was just thinking about the popular pre-DH H/Hr theory in which Cho and Ginny both served a purpose in the progression of Harry's emotional maturity re: relationships before he ultimately hooked up with Hermione. Cho was his rather meaningless high-school crush that never really went anywhere. That whole sub-plot taught Harry that a potential girlfriend needed to have more than a pretty face and a mutual interest in Quidditch. It also got that whole awkward first kiss/date/interest in a girl thing out of the way. Then he moved onto Ginny, who was, in the opinion of us "crazy" H/Hrs, his stereotypical high-school relationship, which was based predominantly on sexual attraction, and to a lesser extent, the fact they had similar interests (erm, well, Quidditch) and some shared experiences. Ginny was a bit of escapism for Harry during a turbulent time.. he even tells her that the time they had together was like being in someone else's life. But aside from Harry's jealousy and all that pants-- I mean, chest-monster nonsense, the bulk of their "relationship" happened off-page, meaning that there was nothing there to really get the reader emotionally invested. Then they very neatly break up at the end of HBP, no fighting, no baggage, and paving the way for Harry to recognise the one person who was there for him, always, placing him above all others including the guy she's supposedly in love with, from day dot until the bitter end, and because of the experience he's gained through Cho and Ginny, he has a newfound capacity to form a meaningful, more mature, and lasting connection with Hermione. When Ron walked out on Harry and Hermione in DH, the still-naively-hopeful part of me was shrieking, "Yes, yes, YES! This is where the kindling will be lit!" But Hermione cried and moped and it was all very morose, and that was where my final glimmer of hope for canon H/Hr died. But Steve Kloves and David Yates gave us that beautiful dance scene in DH, which was a lovely (if bittersweet) consolation prize that I was very grateful for.

    I was thinking the other day that Ginny was a total Mary-Sue.
    Indeed. I was once reading a lengthy definition of what makes a Mary-Sue, and I remember thinking, "omg, Ginny ticks every single one of these.."

    It's kind of like Natalie Hanson. She married Taylor Hanson but she started off as a fan of the band and would follow them around on tour with her best friend, Kate...who married Zac. Living the dream!
    *snort*

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    I've never heard the term Mary-Sue what does it mean?

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    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mary+Sue

    Here's the first definition I found on google, but there are plenty of others.

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