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    hi ladies

    I was briefly here back last year and have since had more BFNs!! I have been reading along, just not adding anything. I was thrilled to see MGC Bertie's news - thats totally awesome and Im so happy for you!

    Petal- Im so sorry to read your update, Ive been there and its really terrible so I hope you are recovering ok.

    Luckyme1 - its so hard not to be obsessed about all this - Im not so bad when Im in between cycles but as soon as i start one it seems to take over.

    leyshoja - wow 9 days to find a donor!! thats amazing. Im not sure if I want to go down the donor route, but i have been considering it more than I had previously so I might have to pick your brains at some point.

    Ive just turned 41 and had a hysteroscopy in Jan which showed both my tubes are blocked - news to me!! I have since had 2 Dr's telling me that they don't usually get people pregnant after this long, so its been pretty upsetting to hear. Im with RPA and I feel that for a while they have given up hope, and they won't change anything with my protocol so Im getting pretty restless. When I add up all my transfers of decent quality embryos, theres now been 6 altogether with one BFP that was a mmc. So I feel like the numbers aren't all that big considering my age. What do you guys think about that?
    Ive been looking into a new clinic who does low dose IVF and they say it can be beneficial for older women. Im a poor responder too, the most eggs Ive had was 6 but its more often been 2-4. I have had 2 frosties over all my cycles too. Ive also been reading about a double egg collection cycle, and studies have shown this to be beneficial for older women and poor responders, has anyone got any knowledge or experience with any of these?
    Do people think changing clinics is worthwhile after being unsuccessful for this long? This is the start of our third year doing IVF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    hi ladies

    I was briefly here back last year and have since had more BFNs!! I have been reading along, just not adding anything. I was thrilled to see MGC Bertie's news - thats totally awesome and Im so happy for you!

    Petal- Im so sorry to read your update, Ive been there and its really terrible so I hope you are recovering ok.

    Luckyme1 - its so hard not to be obsessed about all this - Im not so bad when Im in between cycles but as soon as i start one it seems to take over.

    leyshoja - wow 9 days to find a donor!! thats amazing. Im not sure if I want to go down the donor route, but i have been considering it more than I had previously so I might have to pick your brains at some point.

    Ive just turned 41 and had a hysteroscopy in Jan which showed both my tubes are blocked - news to me!! I have since had 2 Dr's telling me that they don't usually get people pregnant after this long, so its been pretty upsetting to hear. Im with RPA and I feel that for a while they have given up hope, and they won't change anything with my protocol so Im getting pretty restless. When I add up all my transfers of decent quality embryos, theres now been 6 altogether with one BFP that was a mmc. So I feel like the numbers aren't all that big considering my age. What do you guys think about that?
    Ive been looking into a new clinic who does low dose IVF and they say it can be beneficial for older women. Im a poor responder too, the most eggs Ive had was 6 but its more often been 2-4. I have had 2 frosties over all my cycles too. Ive also been reading about a double egg collection cycle, and studies have shown this to be beneficial for older women and poor responders, has anyone got any knowledge or experience with any of these?
    Do people think changing clinics is worthwhile after being unsuccessful for this long? This is the start of our third year doing IVF.
    Welcome back @tuxcat. There is really nothing you can pick my brains about. My clinic seems to be one of the only ones in existence that actively search for donors and keep a waiting list of recipients. We went on the list and were about fourth from the top of list and a donor decided she wanted to select her own recipient and chose us! We just got really lucky. If I had known how quick and easy SA is for donors I would probably have gone down that path because I expected to be waiting a long time on the list.
    As for 6 cycles, that's not a huge number at that age. Maybe you should consider changing clinics as they sound neither supportive nor positive. A new protocol could make all the difference.
    Just a short positive story for everyone else, while I was getting my FET last week I asked the dr what was the oldest success with their own eggs and she tells me a 43yo, who was 44 by the time she delivered, on her first cycle got only one egg and she got twins from it. Lucky lady !

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    Thanks leyshoja. Always good to hear a good news story, I feel like I've been bombarded with negativity this year and it gets you down. As I said to my DH the Drs have been wrong so far so let's hope that's still the case and I prove them wrong this year.

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    @tuxcat welcome back! I am a 41yo just starting stim #9. I did 5 cycle with westmead (low cost) in Sydney. They wouldn't think outside the box with my stim protocols, so after 5 cycles we changed to ivfa. I had asked to do a protocol I had read about for low responders in older women on my 2nd cycle at westmead and the old FS said no, that protocol doesn't work. When I changed clinics I wanted one that did this particular protocol as well as pgd testing so I know whether my eggs are good enough. I normally get between 4-6 eggs with about 80% fert rate, but they die off by day 5 or are super slow. The best I had gotten in 5 cycles was one grade b.

    I have done 3 banking cycles at ivfa, the first two were standard high dose fsh (menopur only-failure, and gonal f with luveris-ok). I got one b grade 6 cell (d3) followed by 1 b grade 6 cell (d3) and 1 x c grade 5 cell. Then I put my foot down and did the agonist/antagonist conversion protocol that I had been wanting to do for nearly 2years and we got an a grade 8 cell (d3). My FS finally just agreed that it was my best cycle ever and that was the protocol for me. So we are now embarking on one more cycle in the hope of getting another embie so we can thaw them all out and test.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is don't ever give up if you feel there is something more you can try. Or if your FS isn't willing to try different protocols then you are just wasting time and money. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is madness in my opinion. Have you had any immune testing? Have you had your embies tested?

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    thanks @Chiefsgirl. I know, its frustrating when you yourself know quite a bit about this whole caper and want to try anything but the Dr's are conservative and only think their way works.

    I have had all the bloods done if thats what you mean about immune testing? MTHFR (A1298C) is Heterozygous but the FS just said all this means is that taking a folic acid supplement is probably a good idea even after TTC. Everything else came back fine. Ive never had the NK cells thing done, so thats maybe something I could do. I think I just need to go and get another opinion and see what they can offer us. I guess the cost of a different clinic is a concern as we are not high income earners. Ive mainly had decent embryos so it just makes me wonder if its just a numbers game and the more times we try, the more chance we have. Who do you see at IVFA? How much out of pocket are you each time?

    Has anyone had any changes with some weightloss if they are a little overweight? I could do with losing 10kgs to put me in a healthier weight range but it just seems so hard to do with everything else going on. Ive started a low carb diet as of today as its suppose to be the fastest way to lose it. I work from home on mondays so its easy at home, its when Im in the rut of a crazy working week where its gets tricky..any tips most welcome!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    thanks @Chiefsgirl. I know, its frustrating when you yourself know quite a bit about this whole caper and want to try anything but the Dr's are conservative and only think their way works.

    I have had all the bloods done if thats what you mean about immune testing? MTHFR (A1298C) is Heterozygous but the FS just said all this means is that taking a folic acid supplement is probably a good idea even after TTC. Everything else came back fine. Ive never had the NK cells thing done, so thats maybe something I could do. I think I just need to go and get another opinion and see what they can offer us. I guess the cost of a different clinic is a concern as we are not high income earners. Ive mainly had decent embryos so it just makes me wonder if its just a numbers game and the more times we try, the more chance we have. Who do you see at IVFA? How much out of pocket are you each time?

    Has anyone had any changes with some weightloss if they are a little overweight? I could do with losing 10kgs to put me in a healthier weight range but it just seems so hard to do with everything else going on. Ive started a low carb diet as of today as its suppose to be the fastest way to lose it. I work from home on mondays so its easy at home, its when Im in the rut of a crazy working week where its gets tricky..any tips most welcome!!
    Hey @tuxcat a friend of mine dropped a heap of weight pretty quickly by cutting out all all sugar

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    @tuxcat I think a change of clinics sounds like a good idea. Even if just to mix it up and get a different approach. I'd be concerned if I was getting good embryos but they weren't implanting. Having said that I know how stressful the financial aspect is. Personally I am just working the numbers game and hoping we find the right embryo (I am also at RPA) but my embryos are very obviously of crappy quality. Also I have achieved a successful cycle with them before so my situation is different.

    As for weight loss, its been a real struggle with me (I am trying to lose that magical last ten kilos ha!) but i find packing a lunch helps. A decaf coffee and green smoothie (1/2 banana,1/2 apple, spinach, cucumber) for breakfast. Some carrots, olives and fruit to snack on through the day and boiled eggs and chicken to keep you from feeling hungry. Egg whites are great for being low calorie but high protein to keep you full.
    Also, I scouted out my local cafe and figured out the only things I was allowed to eat (chicken salad), literally 95% of everything else is unhealthy and high cal so I just take the right amount of money and I can't buy any snacks.
    I also have a freezer stocked with lite n easy. That helps on days when you can't be @rsed to cook but want to stick to something relatively low calorie.

    good luck!

    @mgcbertie so so glad everything turned out ok with the harmony test! So excited for you. Thank god for some good news.
    @Luckyme1 I don't have much advice as I turn into an obsessive freak whenever I go through IVF. Just tell yourself that this stage will pass and you'll get back to your normal self. Its an intense, full-on time that most people really just don't understand. Its not called a roller coaster for nothing
    @leyshoja how are you feeling?

    AFM Still sniffing, don't pick up my drugs until next week. I've been house hunting so that has taken over my IVF obsession which is a relief. Plus I really don't believe its going to work anymore, just feel like I'm going through the motions.

    hello to everyone else!

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    @tuxcat The thing with decent 'looking' embryo's is they could still be 'abnormal' and have chromosome issues. I'd look into the mthfr thing as some of the girls on the NK thread have that and take a special methyl folate or something because one kind of mthfr means they don't absorb folate properly and can lead to all sorts of issues with bub.

    I would def look into immune issues as a potential issue. There is a book called is my body baby friendly, and it is really informative. If you read that and have an aha moment then I can recommend the immune dr I see. He is based in bankstown and also Miranda. He really is the best in Aus. He can look at all your bt's and history and might do a few more tests. He isn't cheap, but not too $$$$ and you can see him as well as your FS at your low cost clinic.

    In regards to weight, I am overweight and lost 6kgs before my last cycle. Not sure if that helped or not as I was also on lots of meds. My immune dr put me on Diabex to help with egg quality and it is supposed to regulate your blood sugars and as a result you lose weight. I have also gone paleo so no grains, sugar or diary for me. The weight has been a whole lot easier to lose. I still eat carbs though, just the right ones.

    It's s tough old thing when you get to our age and time isn't on our side, we just don't have time to play the numbers game and hope it will work out eventually. Good luck.

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    @leyshoja I could imagine the sugar thing being a sure fire way, i just struggle to actually do that kind of thing!
    @Bongley thanks for those suggestions, the frozen dinner thing is a great idea. I know a big part of it all is organisation, if i can get my **** into gear of an evening then it will be relatively easy to follow.
    I know RPA are good its just the one size fits all approach that annoys me.
    @Chiefsgirl thats interesting about the mthfr, I know of the Dr you are talking about from another TTC forum, he seems very well known. I will check out that book too. Someone on the other forum recommended a Dr from IVFA. She is based in the CBD and specialises in repeat IVF failure so Im contemplating her. You're right, I don't have time to play the numbers game, and with my tubes being blocked it seems that IVF is the only way its gonna happen. Why the hell does this all have to be so hard?!

    loving the advice and suggestions..thanks everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefsgirl View Post
    @tuxcat The thing with decent 'looking' embryo's is they could still be 'abnormal' and have chromosome issues .
    Aint that the truth. 5 good looking embies I got from my donor, the 1 transferred last November was the best looking by far, yet the m/c was caused by chromosome issues. @Bongley, I'm feeling ok. I have the notion that this one will not be the one, but the next one will be. Not sure why, its just a feeling I have. Probably just my screwed up way of preparing for failure. I don't have sore bbs this time and I'm pretty sure that last time I got them as soon as I went on the progesterone (before I was utd), so I'm not sure what's going on there?
    After doing that bit of research about SA donor eggs I actually feel a lot more positive that I will eventually get there by hook or by crook. If these next 4 embies all let me down then I have a great backup plan. If I still want it.
    Only 3 days till I poas Going by last time, I should have a very faint bfp on Friday, but I'm testing Thursday regardless. Hey, if I went to the trouble to buy dozens of tests, may as well use them !

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