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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    I was explaining my stance on pro-death penalty and rehabilitation as i was questioned. I already said i do not agree with the punishment that they have been handed being drug runners.
    I was responding to you saying that you didn't think that people could be rehabilitated, or make contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    If you are at the point where you are guilty beyond a doubt of a crime that warrants the death penalty then no, i dont think so. Not only do you have no regard for other humans, you are a danger to society..not to mention draining the system of hundreds of dollars a day sitting in prison your whole life.

    Im NOT saying i agree with them getting the death penalty for their crime. As i said Indos laws are outdated.

    However, i am 10000% pro death penalty for serial killers, serial rapists, pedophiles and the likes.
    No that was my post, to which i then explained....

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    We are getting our wires crossed - because I was responding to this post. Anyhow, moving along

    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Ok, well to keep things moving. No, i dont believe people can be rehabilitated and make worthwhile contributions.

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    The death penalty does not deter people from committing a crime.

    Whilst I have doubts that some criminals can be rehabilitated, I will never support the death penalty. For any crime.

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    Yes, i think we were definitely in different places in the conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    We aren't talking about paedophiles, we are talking about drug runners, they are world's apart, its like comparing apples and oranges.
    Never the less they are criminals all the same! The bali 9 got themselves mixed up with dodgy people to begin with and it's noone else's fault but their own. They were drug mules, everyone knows the consequences of doing this in countries such as bali. Signs are everywhere at the airport and there is much publicity about it. Do the crime, do the time and except the punishment whatever that may be. Our government shouldn't intervene in other countries laws. I do think that they took too long in giving these 2 the death penalty though, it shouldn't drag out so long when it's decided.

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    Default Debate thread for discussing the death penalty and the Bali 9

    So for the people that believe in the 'do the crime do the time' philosophy no matter what, is there a line to draw somewhere?

    Do we agree with being stoned to death for committing adultery or being raped, or having a hand cut off for stealing, or a state-assigned number of lashes for blasphemy? What about jail for sodomy? And just say 'well, that's the punishment in that country, so...meh'?

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    I don't know how to say this without putting my foot in it. So I'm just going to blurt it out.

    I think having the death penalty is a sign of how socially (/intellectually) backwards a place is. The death penalty generally exists where a vast portion of the population has very little/poor education.

    Where there is little ability to exercise higher level reasoning and emotional intelligence, animalistic stances such as the death penalty will appeal to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome Queen of Amazingtown View Post
    So for the people that believe in the 'do the crime do the time' philosophy no matter what, is there a line to draw somewhere?

    Do we agree with being stoned to death for committing adultery or being raped, or having a hand cut off for stealing, or a state-assigned number of lashes for blasphemy? What about jail for sodomy? And just say 'well, that's the punishment in that country, so...meh'?
    Of course there is a line. Just because i believe "well, thats the punishment in that country" doesnt mean i agree with it, just that those are the rules and theres nothing we can do to change it besides avoid ending up in that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome Queen of Amazingtown View Post
    So for the people that believe in the 'do the crime do the time' philosophy no matter what, is there a line to draw somewhere?

    Do we agree with being stoned to death for committing adultery or being raped, or having a hand cut off for stealing, or a state-assigned number of lashes for blasphemy? What about jail for sodomy? And just say 'well, that's the punishment in that country, so...meh'?
    I believe in 'do the crime, do the time' unless the 'time' is totally f@rked!


 

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