Screams presence of mind to me.
"I don't think I was really going anywhere in life. I don't think, you know, I was achieving too much, even though I had a stable job and all. Yes, I don't think I was really heading anywhere, to be honest, you know, I've used drugs myself I was a drug user. You know, I know what it feels like to - to be, you know, one of them junkies walking on the street I guess..... You don't think too much about - I didn't anyway. You know, most people think yeah, you would, but I didn't. It wasn't - more or less for me it was just quick pay day, that's it. Just think to yourself quick pay day, that's it - Nothing more, nothing less."
— Andrew Chan, interviewed in 2010 and broadcast on SBS TV'sDateline following his sentencing and appeal
Ive used drugs too, i would have classed myself as a drug user at one point. I still never thought of smuggling as a quick pay day. Again, i believe they had presence of mind.
Anyway, that is neither here nor there. This topic could be discussed forever, and neither side will change their opinions-its unfair to expect people to. I for one am a bit sick of going around in circles and i dont feel this conversation is productive...i actually signed off bubhub for a week, deleted the app completely, came back out of boredom and this debate is still stagnating in the same place. Im going to sign off and let others continue this debate
I fear the end to the debate will only happen when they are executed.
It's probably correct that neither side will change their opinions. Still I personally have found it interesting and have read viewpoints on both sides that I have never considered before (especially @MissMuppet - you have totally opened my eyes).
I disagree that it is boring if you are actually open to the 'debate' mentality ie reading, thinking, responding with respect, learning, etc. which has happened in abundance in this thread.
I believe i have also posted within those boundaries you specified, i just feel that repeating myself over and over doesnt/hasnt achieved anything. Plus i dont feel right speculating about the past or future of these mens lives. Really, none of us know them, so none of us will ever know the ins and outs (besides what the media reports) of their thoughts or feelings and their circumstances.
Either way the thought of the Brazillian being executed makes me sick.
Last edited by VicPark; 07-03-2015 at 18:55.
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