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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Its completely different. This man was targeted to be a mule because of his mental illness which negates his capability for choice. Indonesia not recognizing his mental illness is much more of an abuse of human rights in his case IMO...and where were all the Australians fighting for his rights?

    Chan and Sukumaran had the presense of mind to choose-and had done so 3 times prior to this event.
    I agree - it's so totally abhorrent of Indonesia. The fact that Indonesia has no legislation which prevents them executing mentally ill highlights their simplistic approach to the whole issue. There are people fighting for his rights.

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    Do you think that heroin addicts think logically and act rationally? Genuine question.

    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Its completely different. This man was targeted to be a mule because of his mental illness which negates his capability for choice. Indonesia not recognizing his mental illness is much more of an abuse of human rights in his case IMO...and where were all the Australians fighting for his rights?

    Chan and Sukumaran had the presense of mind to choose-and had done so 3 times prior to this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    That is just horrifying. I'd say no one stands a chance if these are the things that the Indonesian authorities do. Just vile.
    Yeah it's effing totally abhorrent! It's a total breach of international law to execute mentally ill and those with intellectual disabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Do you think that heroin addicts think logically and act rationally? Genuine question.
    Can you find anything that references that they were actually drug addicts? Everything i can find says these two were the organisers of the ring, and mentions nothing about them being users. In fact i found a quote from Sukumaran saying he wanted cars, girls and money and he knew he wouldn't get it from a mail room salary.

    Screams presence of mind to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Can you find anything that references that they were actually drug addicts? Everything i can find says these two were the organisers of the ring, and mentions nothing about them being users. In fact i found a quote from Sukumaran saying he wanted cars, girls and money and he knew he wouldn't get it from a mail room salary.

    Screams presence of mind to me.
    It's in the interview that he did with the ABC, it was a while ago now. But it comes up in google if you put in "Andrew chan drug user."

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    "I don't think I was really going anywhere in life. I don't think, you know, I was achieving too much, even though I had a stable job and all. Yes, I don't think I was really heading anywhere, to be honest, you know, I've used drugs myself I was a drug user. You know, I know what it feels like to - to be, you know, one of them junkies walking on the street I guess..... You don't think too much about - I didn't anyway. You know, most people think yeah, you would, but I didn't. It wasn't - more or less for me it was just quick pay day, that's it. Just think to yourself quick pay day, that's it - Nothing more, nothing less."

    — Andrew Chan, interviewed in 2010 and broadcast on SBS TV'sDateline following his sentencing and appeal

    Ive used drugs too, i would have classed myself as a drug user at one point. I still never thought of smuggling as a quick pay day. Again, i believe they had presence of mind.

    Anyway, that is neither here nor there. This topic could be discussed forever, and neither side will change their opinions-its unfair to expect people to. I for one am a bit sick of going around in circles and i dont feel this conversation is productive...i actually signed off bubhub for a week, deleted the app completely, came back out of boredom and this debate is still stagnating in the same place. Im going to sign off and let others continue this debate

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    I fear the end to the debate will only happen when they are executed.

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    It's probably correct that neither side will change their opinions. Still I personally have found it interesting and have read viewpoints on both sides that I have never considered before (especially @MissMuppet - you have totally opened my eyes).

    I disagree that it is boring if you are actually open to the 'debate' mentality ie reading, thinking, responding with respect, learning, etc. which has happened in abundance in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    It's probably correct that neither side will change their opinions. Still I personally have found it interesting and have read viewpoints on both sides that I have never considered before (especially @MissMuppet - you have totally opened my eyes).

    I disagree that it is boring if you are actually open to the 'debate' mentality ie reading, thinking, responding with respect, learning, etc. which has happened in abundance in this thread.
    I said i came back to BH because of boredom, not that this thread is boring

    I believe i have also posted within those boundaries you specified, i just feel that repeating myself over and over doesnt/hasnt achieved anything. Plus i dont feel right speculating about the past or future of these mens lives. Really, none of us know them, so none of us will ever know the ins and outs (besides what the media reports) of their thoughts or feelings and their circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    I agree - it's so totally abhorrent of Indonesia. The fact that Indonesia has no legislation which prevents them executing mentally ill highlights their simplistic approach to the whole issue. There are people fighting for his rights.
    I think if there was a confirmed case of severe mental illness the President would grant clemency as with Schappelle. With the Brazillians case I think the Government are just trying to get their own diagnosis at the moment ? (Anyone could pay a doctor off). Or maybe I am pulling a Holly and being too trusting?

    Either way the thought of the Brazillian being executed makes me sick.
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