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    Life sentences are still far too harsh, that is no life - especially not in those vile SE asian prisons where they treat feral animals better than the inmates. They are a breach of human rights as well.

    It's been confirmed, they are being transferred this week for execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
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    The things that strike me most about this case though, are the double standards Indonesia is displaying, they are far more lenient on their own people than foreigners who do the same crimes. That leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

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    How do you know this? Any chance the differences in sentencing could be due to differences in evidence/proof etc?

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    I am not in favour of the death penalty.

    I am though, in favour of life imprisonment - and the fact that they say they have been rehabilitated is fantastic, but I would not suggest they should be released.

    We need to keep in mind - these 2 are the ringleaders. The ones who threatened other people and their families in order to force them to participate, in this and other drug deals.

    My sympathy is fairly limited, and I do not think they should have a 'second chance'.

    There is a difference between making a mistake, and organising a drug run and bribing/forcing/threatening others to do it as well. That isnt a 'mistake because they are young and impressionable'

    BUT - neither do I think the death penalty is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    How do you know this? Any chance the differences in sentencing could be due to differences in evidence/proof etc?
    http://m.smh.com.au/world/death-for-...13-13dp7u.html

    Difference is likely that one set of judges got the bribes they wanted.

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    Id just like to pop in one more time and say I dont really think being clean in prison is a reason to believe they are rehabilitated. If someone isnt clean in prison after 10 years then something is clearly wrong. It doesnt automatically mean they are changed men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    How do you know this? Any chance the differences in sentencing could be due to differences in evidence/proof etc?
    I read it, here is one link.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-squad.html

    And the fact that they give lesser sentences to terrorists who murder large amounts of people that they do drug mules. It is all topsy turvy.
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    Meanwhile the suspected 'mastermind' lives a life of luxury.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/suspe...11-13aypt.html

    So very wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heplusme View Post
    Id just like to pop in one more time and say I dont really think being clean in prison is a reason to believe they are rehabilitated. If someone isnt clean in prison after 10 years then something is clearly wrong. It doesnt automatically mean they are changed men.

    No, but all the things they are doing and have achieved in the last 10 years show that they are changed men. Also, considering you can access heroin in prisons there, but they aren't shows that they are also changed men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    No, but all the things they are doing and have achieved in the last 10 years show that they are changed men. Also, considering you can access heroin in prisons there, but they aren't shows that they are also changed men.
    And you think the lawyers didnt tell them to do these things to help their image? I dont buy it. Id be bored and take on extra curricular activities if i was sitting around for 10 years too.

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    Drug runners are hardly ever the king pins or the masterminds of a drug operation, and usually they aren't the ones who get caught. Which, if we are to stop the drug smuggling trade, that is exactly who needs to be arrested and put in jail.

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    I am not in favour of the death penalty.

    I am though, in favour of life imprisonment - and the fact that they say they have been rehabilitated is fantastic, but I would not suggest they should be released.

    We need to keep in mind - these 2 are the ringleaders. The ones who threatened other people and their families in order to force them to participate, in this and other drug deals.

    My sympathy is fairly limited, and I do not think they should have a 'second chance'.

    There is a difference between making a mistake, and organising a drug run and bribing/forcing/threatening others to do it as well. That isnt a 'mistake because they are young and impressionable'

    BUT - neither do I think the death penalty is appropriate.

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