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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I'm sorry I can't help but chuckle a little ....Just as with the vax issue there are Dr Google experts on here!

    Unless people have a medical degree stop trying to pretend like you know all the facts - don't circumcise your kids unless a trained medical professional recommends it (and no doctor shopping to find the one doctor in 100 who will do what you want eitther you cheeky monkeys!) And if a trained medical professional recommends your boy gets the snip, don't ignore them just to make a stand.

    For the most part Doctor knows bests not Shazza or Frankie from Sunnyvale.


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    I agree whole-heartedly...It took me 8 years to get my Medical Degree. Yet people on here can surpass my knowledge with a "double-click"!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    Be very careful of the wording here...if the parents are concerned about the future risk of infection if they do not have their child circumcised, then this is sufficient indication for a Surgeon in the public system to perform an elective circ. And this is what actually happens.
    I think it varies by State, by Hospital, and even by Surgeon.

    In WA, they introduced very strict guidelines in 2004 to stop the policy being circumvented. Not so much in Victoria.

    Nonetheless AR-DRG data for public patients in Victoria show circumcision declining from 1,988 procedures in 2006-7 to 926 in 2009-10, so clearly the policy had an impact.

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    Why so down on JohnC? He is obviously passionate about routine circ and this is the discuss it section. If you don't want to discuss it, don't come in here!

    Anyway, the article is certainly attention grabbing but I would be interested in the data from say, Israel, which I assume most boys would be circ'd and if they have higher rates of Autism than a country like Australia which has a low circ rate.

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    Circ is not 'chopping your child's doodle off'. That is emotive language used to sway people's opinions and is actually against the rules.

    As per the sticky in this sub forum which has been there forever, yet most anti circers ignore:

    "Therefore, bubhub does not like to see harsh words (such as mutilation, inhumane, cruel, ********, horrific etc) being bandied around in the circumcision sub forums. There are some contexts in which it may be acceptable, however most of the time, the moderators will change such words to a more neutral term.

    Please do not try to justify the use of these words by quoting dictionary definitions. It is the weighty, dark, accusatory overtones that are associated with these words that we find to be inconsistent with our core purpose, which is to provide information in a supportive and non-judgemental environment.

    Use of these words may attract infractions and warnings as appropriate."

    http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?120819-Guidelines-for-posting-in-circumcision-section-language

    JohnC and I's opinions are never going to meet in the middle, and I disagree with pretty much everything he says on this subject, but at least he sticks to the rules of the forum and doesn't throw around emotive terms.

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    There's a couple of possible correlations I can think of after reading through the study somewhat briefly.

    Given that ASD seems often to be genetic in origin there may be a higher risk of ASD for a particular ethnic background, and boys from these backgrounds may also be more likely to be circumcised for cultural reasons, perhaps. Although I think the study accounted for this phenomenon.

    I also think the correlation could relate to the parents' interaction with the medical world in general. Perhaps if you are someone who prefers to have your child circumcised, then you are also a parent who does a lot of research on child health issues and medical issues, and you would be more likely to actively seek out a diagnosis at the very first sign of ASD traits compared to parents who are not interested or engaged with those medical aspects of childhood dvt. I really doubt that it is a causal link.

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    I don't believe I have used emotive language either.
    As I said previously, I am neither anti- nor pro- circumcision.
    But I am quite passionate about medical misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J37 View Post
    I don't believe I have used emotive language either.
    As I said previously, I am neither anti- nor pro- circumcision.
    But I am quite passionate about medical misinformation.

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    No. I think you have provided a medical, unbias opinion. Yours is probably the more reliable from my POV. My post related to VP, who I in fact do admire for her honesty. But it's one thing that really annoys me about the circ forum and reason why I never engage anymore. It's the emotive, almost hysterical language and rhetoric which constantly breaks the rules that annoys me. I actually find it manipulative and disingenuous.... and that's a general statement not directed to any one person.

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    We are getting our son circumcised.

    At the end of the day, anything can be linked to anything. There comes a point where we just have to accept that mixing certain genes result in issues we cant control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vue View Post
    There's a couple of possible correlations I can think of after reading through the study somewhat briefly.

    Given that ASD seems often to be genetic in origin there may be a higher risk of ASD for a particular ethnic background, and boys from these backgrounds may also be more likely to be circumcised for cultural reasons, perhaps. Although I think the study accounted for this phenomenon.

    I also think the correlation could relate to the parents' interaction with the medical world in general. Perhaps if you are someone who prefers to have your child circumcised, then you are also a parent who does a lot of research on child health issues and medical issues, and you would be more likely to actively seek out a diagnosis at the very first sign of ASD traits compared to parents who are not interested or engaged with those medical aspects of childhood dvt. I really doubt that it is a causal link.
    But a number of supposedly ASD traits are initially detected by childcare staff or kindergarten teachers, not parents, which would obviously be a confounding factor in such a study.

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    2 sons and 1 daughter on the spectrum here and no part of their genitals have been altered. For us its genetics 100% as i too am on the spectrum.

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