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    Quote Originally Posted by GemJane View Post
    I am reviving this thread as, even though the mw basically laughed at me today and said "no, definitely no tongue tie" I still feel like something is wrong. I'm also confused by the notion that "it shouldn't hurt at all"
    I'm a first time mum, I can't imagine that any area of the body, especially one so delicate, wouldn't hurt a bit when being sucked (with HUGE suction!) almost around the clock.
    The first day or so I probably didn't have the correct latch so damage was already done. I got almost every midwife while in hosp to check latch and all said it was good. Told them about pain, they said that's fairly normal. Yet today mw says no shouldn't hurt and re taught me to latch, she watched me and was happy, when asked does it still hurt, I said yes, to which she says it shouldn't and made me re latch over and over. Can anyone tell me if they or someone they know actually never got soreness from the beginning? Mine haven't cracked (yet) and the pain is bearable but it's still very tender. Yet everyone sees his latch from the outside and says it looks good? Hence I'm writing here as I feel it could be tongue tie or lip tie. Anywhoo that was a big ramble lol.
    @GemJane sorry to hear you are in pain. I had a lot of pain starting to breastfeed my now 4 month old. She was prem couldn't open her mouth wide enough to suck properly and combined with terrible latch the damage was done in 1-2 days. Serious cracks and blisters. To soothe the pain I used RiteAid hydrogel discs which were amazing and they started to heal within a few hours only.
    I was still getting terrible pain to the point of wanting to give up as it was awful. A midwife suggested using a nipple shield and this saved me. I've been exclusively breastfeeding with shields for 4 months now and have had no problems at all with pain/discomfort. They're a bit awkward to use when out as you need to pop them on then make sure bub is on properly but they truly saved me so might be worth a shot? Medela are my favourite. My bub still can't feed without them but as I'm having no troubles I don't mind using them indefinitely. Some people use them a short time or use them at the start of a feed then attach bub to breast to finish feed. Hope this helps.

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    I didn't have much pain with DS1 but with DS2 it was painful from the first feed. I actually just syringe fed him for the first night at home as it was too painful. I saw midwives and an LC but nothing major wrong. The pain eventually went away when he was about 3 weeks old. When he started teething at about 6 months old I noticed what I thought looked like an upper lip tie. At his next check up both the child health nurse and my GP agreed he had a mild lip tie. The pain was gone by then and we fed till he was 14 months old but if I were to have any more babies I would be getting quadruple checked for lip or tongue ties if I had pain beyond about day 3 (hormones can cause pain in the first few days but it is supposed to peak on day 3). Prolonged or excruciating pain with no latch issues would be a big warning sign for lip or tongue tie to me.

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    Default Help - baby not sucking well.

    @GemJane I'm a pro at this breastfeeding apparently, our bubba's are the same age and I can tell you it still hurts when initially feeding. I find after a minute or so it eases. Completely normal, I find it incredibly frustrating that they push the message it shouldn't hurt unless you're doing it wrong, yet everyone I talk to had pain at the beginning whilst your nipples get used to it . If it continues for the whole duration of the feed or there is significant damage to the nipples there may be an issue but otherwise it's just one of those things that does get better with time.

    I've been using lansiloh after feeds and using nursing pads as it can hurt when pressing against my tops. My nipples are a little cracked too.

    You're doing amazing xxx
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    I saw a lactation consultant through the council MCHN service who diagnosed DS's PTT. DD was painful and needed nipple shields, but after a few weeks things were getting better. Things didn't improve with DS until he got clipped.

    DS would suction on. This is because he couldn't get his tongue to do the rippling motion to 'milk' my nipple. The misshapen/squashed nipple after a feed didn't start until about 3 weeks, before that it was just cracking.

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    Default Help - baby not sucking well.

    Quote Originally Posted by GemJane View Post
    I am reviving this thread as, even though the mw basically laughed at me today and said "no, definitely no tongue tie" I still feel like something is wrong. I'm also confused by the notion that "it shouldn't hurt at all"
    I'm a first time mum, I can't imagine that any area of the body, especially one so delicate, wouldn't hurt a bit when being sucked (with HUGE suction!) almost around the clock.
    The first day or so I probably didn't have the correct latch so damage was already done. I got almost every midwife while in hosp to check latch and all said it was good. Told them about pain, they said that's fairly normal. Yet today mw says no shouldn't hurt and re taught me to latch, she watched me and was happy, when asked does it still hurt, I said yes, to which she says it shouldn't and made me re latch over and over. Can anyone tell me if they or someone they know actually never got soreness from the beginning? Mine haven't cracked (yet) and the pain is bearable but it's still very tender. Yet everyone sees his latch from the outside and says it looks good? Hence I'm writing here as I feel it could be tongue tie or lip tie. Anywhoo that was a big ramble lol.
    Everyone told me my son's latch was perfect and that it shouldn't be hurting, but I was in a lot of pain. Like you they would keep making me relatch and it still hurt and his latch still looked fine. They also said he didn't have tongue tie. Two weeks later I found an LC that specialized in ties, at first she didn't think he had one then decided he had a very deep posterior tie, so far back and hard to see. He had a very strong suction to stay latched and his tongue couldn't stretch out to cushion my nipples so that was why it was so painful. After the snip it gradually got better, it wasn't immediate because my nipples had two weeks of bruising to heal from and he had to learn how to stretch out his tongue but it did slowly get better and pain free. From my experience I would try and find somebody who specializes in tongue ties and have him reassessed, midwives/pediatrician/MCHN all told me nothing was wrong.

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    I had excruciating pain with both my sons. DS1 had a TT, but DS2 had no problems. He just hurt so much. He was checked by 2 LCs and they both said he just had "a very strong suck". I had bad latching with both and deep cracks/fissures/nipple damage as well. Even after I got the latching right (with DS2 latching was perfect from day 3 but as you say, the damage is done early on) it still hurt a lot. Both LCs said the latch looked perfect, but it was tender and hurting. It was basically degrees of pain. I knew straight away when he was latched really wrong, but it hurt all the time. The second LC suggested I just had sensitive nipples.

    I couldn't agree more- being sucked on all day hurts. It takes about 8 weeks for things to toughen up (in my experience). By 12 weeks everything is better. I BF ds1 until 14.5 months, and Ds2 is 13.5 months and still going strong. Good luck!!!!!!! I feel for you. It does get better.

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    I'm feeding my third and it bloody hurt like hell this time round.

    And I should know better. My tips. Get an LC - the milk meg on Facebook is a good place to start. She does online consults. She can look for obvious ties.

    Meanwhile, use lanisoh before and after every feed. I'm an experienced bf mama and I needed it.

    Switching positions also helps. So football, cradle, lying down and rotate between them. If you find lying down feeds super easy compared to the rest my money is on a posterior tongue tie. Do you hear clicking when bub is feeding?

    Hydragel discs and nipple shields are good to provide relief.

    As a general rule. Bf may hurt on attachment but the pain should subside. If it doesn't then something is wrong. With my first it took me 10 days to feed with minimal pain/discomfort. With my third it took the same amount of time.

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    Thanks ladies. I feel a bit better today, yesterday was yuck, so emotional lol. I have a feeling that it may be on the improve. The latch is still ouchy but it gets better. I do sometimes hear a clicking but even that is getting better and less frequent. Hopefully it's just a case of practice makes perfect. It is nice to hear 'real experience' from women who've done it rather than a mw who says you should fit into a box.
    Thanks again, xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemJane View Post
    Thanks ladies. I feel a bit better today, yesterday was yuck, so emotional lol. I have a feeling that it may be on the improve. The latch is still ouchy but it gets better. I do sometimes hear a clicking but even that is getting better and less frequent. Hopefully it's just a case of practice makes perfect. It is nice to hear 'real experience' from women who've done it rather than a mw who says you should fit into a box.
    Thanks again, xx
    I found it ouchy at the beginning of each feed while ds1 was doing the "asking" suck to elongate the nipple. It eased off when he slowed to the drinking suck.

    As the weeks progress that pain went away to where it doesn't hurt and sometimes I'm barely aware he's feeding apart from the lovely snuggles. Hang in there OP, do what you need to do to get through the early weeks, try out the discs, or shields if they help. It will get better.

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    Also - if it helps - try to remember that the round the clock newborn feeding only lasts the first sort of six weeks or so, from there it will probably steady out and by about 12 weeks you are only feeding every few hours and feeds are much shorter.

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