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    This is so very sad, and ironic that these people fight for freedom of speech to push pro Islamic rhetoric themselves then kill innocent journo's bc they don't like their opinion.

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    All these extremists have succeeded in doing is bringing theses cartoons to a world stage.
    I had never heard of Charlie Hebdo before today, and now the world will know their work.
    Not a lot of thinking going on there.

    Idiots with guns, that's all they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Whilst I appreciate and respect the right to freedom of speech if you're at the point where there's been so many threats that you're under police guard then perhaps it's time to tone it down a little for a bit.....
    I disagree - there is something fundamentally wrong with an ideology that supports killing those that mock, criticise or advocate dissent. To believe otherwise is to believe the victims should take some responsibility for being murdered.

    This is not an isolated event. Notable similar instances include:

    - Theo van Gogh (decedent of the artist) who was murdered for making a short film (Submission) that criticised Islam. You can watch the movie here. (NSFW - partial nudity; trigger warning - distressing).

    - Ayaan ali Hirsi who collaborated on the above movie and is an outspoken critic of Islam. As a result she has received violent death threats and has body guards at all time.

    - Salman Rushdie who received death threats including a fatwa calling for his assassination by the leader of Iran at the time. His crime was to write a book that he claims was part inspired by the life of Muhammad - the title of the book refers to a small number of pagan verses in the Koran that were later removed. (link) The outcry from Islamic communities and the ensuring threats were so strong that the book was banned in a string of countries, not all Islamic. The Japanese translator was stabbed to death, the Italian translator was murdered as well as the Norwegian publisher. Various high profile people commented that Rushdie got what he deserved.

    - In 2008 a firebomb was thrown into a small publishing firm in London because it had decided to publish a novel which told the tale of Mohammed's youngest wife, Aisha. The novel had originally been commissioned by Random House but was dumped due to threats of another "Rushdie affair".

    - Kurt Westergaard, a Danish cartoonist who created a cartoon of Mohammed wearing a bomb in his turban. He has received numerous death threats and lives under constant police protection.

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    Default Shocked. They attacked and killed 11ppl at a newspaper office in Paris

    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Whilst I appreciate and respect the right to freedom of speech if you're at the point where there's been so many threats that you're under police guard then perhaps it's time to tone it down a little for a bit.....
    Charlie Hebdo has a satirical take on all religions. They are quite direct in their cartoons and mostly ridicule extremist people whatever the religion.

    They use to get lots of troubles from Catholics but know Catholics have accepted that people could make fun of their belief, you know, liberty of speech and all.
    They haven't stopped caricaturing Catholism but they don't get troubles over it either.

    So I very much disagree with you there @meredithgrey. If anything we will see Charly Hebdo getting stronger on their satirical views of Islam.

    Also France is strong about secularism which makes them take laws and actions against the full head/body veil. The same law applies to all religion and outside religious sign.

    I have many Muslim friends that live and grew in France. They don't think France is making their life harder in any way nor that they feel people intolerant to their belief.

    Also I will add that the police was guarding this cartoonists because terrorists had made threats against their life because of a drawing.
    To suggest that they brought it on themselves is ridiculous really.

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    "I would rather die standing, then to live on my knees"
    Charlie Hebdo.

    Rather powerful message I think that can apply to everyone and everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meredithgrey View Post
    Upsetting but this is not the first time there has been threats or attacks on journalists mocking Islam.

    There are many issues with Islam in France as well, they come across as very intolerant of normal everyday Muslims.

    Whilst I appreciate and respect the right to freedom of speech if you're at the point where there's been so many threats that you're under police guard then perhaps it's time to tone it down a little for a bit.....
    I'm horrified by your comment. Do you realise that you have just blamed the victims for what happened to them?

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    The country gets upset about people being needlessly murdered for someone elses religious cause and all of a sudden they're 'intolerant'. 😒

    If attacks like this were carried out in the name of any other religious cause it wouldnt be turned into a racial tolerance debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    "I would rather die standing, then to live on my knees"
    Charlie Hebdo.

    Rather powerful message I think that can apply to everyone and everything.
    Yes that was from the editor Stephane Charbonnier, in 2012, after the headquarters of the magazine got bombed.

    Their following front page after the bombing was this :
    it means "Love is stronger than hate" and the guy on the right is cartoonist Cabu who was murdered yesterday.
    Brutally murdered because of his drawings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brooketobub View Post
    The country gets upset about people being needlessly murdered for someone elses religious cause and all of a sudden they're 'intolerant'. 😒
    in a different context I could hear and debate about France intolerance towards Muslim community. I'd still find it ironic coming from Australia but I'd be happy to debate.

    But to read that these cartoonists brought their extremely violent deaths on themselves is very upsetting and infuriating.

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    They didn't bring their deaths on themselves not at all but they knew they were being threatened. The logical thing to do would be to stop.


 

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