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    Actually we don't have 'freedom of speech' in Australia. We have freedom of political communication only. (An implied right from the Cth Constitution).

    The issue of whether to allow her entry is interesting. On one hand I think, 'yes she should be denied a visa as the purpose for her visit is in opposition to our public policy of encouraging immunisation.' If she was coming as a tourist then I think she should be allowed a tourist visa. But coming for the purpose of giving seminar talks trying to persuade people to not vaccinate is really not something that's in our best interests as a country.

    On the flip side I can see that its a dangerous slippery slope to deny people entry because the government doesn't agree with their views. That's censorship and it starts to get murky about what level of censorship is okay.

    Overall - I fall on the 'no she shouldn't be given an entry visa' side of things. Her views are downright dangerous, and they are not political so don't fall within the right to political speech.
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    With how fast and easily some viruses can spread, I think anyone actively encouraging people to not vaccinate should be considered a danger to society on a global level and as such no, they should not be allowed in to the country to try and sway people to their beliefs and ideas.

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    This dumb broad is going to be on the today show after 8am (Eastern standard time).

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    Seriously? I wish they wouldn't give air time to these people!

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    I just read that 9 out of the 11 venues are refusing to host her 👍👍

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    Perhaps we let her present on the condition that she shares the stage with at least one medical professional who can provide a counter argument to her nonsense?

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    Actually the vaccine agenda is far more pushed. I guess it does worries some to have opposition to that.

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    The vaccine agenda has evidence based practice behind it. The worry isn't that the anti vax movement provides any valid opposition scientifically, it's that people actually believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kymmy View Post
    Actually the vaccine agenda is far more pushed. I guess it does worries some to have opposition to that.
    Your argument is similar to saying that "The seat belt agenda is far more pushed. I guess it does worry some to have opposition to that."

    Of course it is pushed, because 99.9% of the expert opinion and the evidence suggests that seat belts prevent more deaths than they cause. That doesn't mean there aren't people who come out and say seat belts are dangerous, and we shouldn't wear them.

    And yes, road safety experts are concerned when wannabe experts come out and tell people not to wear seat belts, because they know that their erroneous preaching could cause death and injury to people who listen to it.

    Just like seat belts, the vaccine "agenda" is pushed because it has the weight of scientific evidence to support it. The only agendas are to prevent the suffering and death of children, and reduce the strain on our health system.

    The 'worry' with the opposition is that they can (and do) say whatever they like, with scant evidence to back it up, and laypeople don't know which side to believe.

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    I guess I can now call myself an anti free speech terrorist!

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