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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincolns mummy View Post
    If we kick out people with awful dating 'advice' surely we don't have to allow someone who is spewing vomit which can harm people in.
    But there isn't exactly a following of people that believe the government and pharmaceutical companies are part of a big cover up to stop us from dating.

    These people are looking for anything to back their beliefs and something like this would be EXACTLY what they need. If they're vocal enough, and they usually are, this could persuade those that currently do vaccinate or sit on the fence - the kind of people that are unlikely to even attend these seminars.

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    You can't stop someone like that coming in.

    To some extent if people are dumb enough to take vaccination advice from an osteopath then that's on them. They will probably make many other dumb decisions and we can't prevent all of them.

    Perhaps the health department can send a mole to her first seminar, then if she is spreading misinformation, then kick her out or at least ban future seminars...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Perhaps the health department can send a mole to her first seminar, then if she is spreading misinformation, then kick her out or at least ban future seminars...
    Well, that's guaranteed to be the case If an anti vaxxer held a seminar sticking to facts, they wouldn't be anti vax.

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    I think it's a short step between "lets not let this person in because she believes xyz" to "lets not let this person in because (s)he believes in a God that abc"....

    Essentially, she holds a belief. She cannot force anyone to believe it. Anti-vaccers are that way because of a choice they have made, a belief they have.

    You want to 'deny' people for their beliefs?.... There's a word for that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I think it's a short step between "lets not let this person in because she believes xyz" to "lets not let this person in because (s)he believes in a God that abc"....

    Essentially, she holds a belief. She cannot force anyone to believe it. Anti-vaccers are that way because of a choice they have made, a belief they have.

    You want to 'deny' people for their beliefs?.... There's a word for that....
    My word for people who believe this woman's garbage is idiotic

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    She is not spreading hate speech so I think adults have capacity to decide whether to go and see her.

    However, I do think on all promotional materials it needs to clearly state what her qualifications are i.e instead of saying Dr such and such it needs to clearly state she is an Osteopath.

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    As much as I would love to see this woman barred from entering, I agree with PP that it will just give the conspiracy theorists who would attend more ammunition.

    Let her in, make her non-qualifications very well known and hope that this dangerous woman doesn't like Australia and never comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    I think it's a short step between "lets not let this person in because she believes xyz" to "lets not let this person in because (s)he believes in a God that abc"....

    Essentially, she holds a belief. She cannot force anyone to believe it. Anti-vaccers are that way because of a choice they have made, a belief they have.

    You want to 'deny' people for their beliefs?.... There's a word for that....
    See my first initial thought was yours too. But then Lil M really has hit the nail on the head. This isn't just a belief. This is someone not only spreading proven mis-truths she is a danger to public health. I used to believe in each to their own on this topic. I thought meh my kids are fully vaxxed they can do what they want. But the reality is, not vaxxing is ruining our herd immunity and passing illness on to vulnerable people like babies and old people.

    So it's not about wanting to deny people for their beliefs. It's wanting to deny a person that could very well mean a substantial risk to our public health.

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    You could say that about a lot of things though i.e. junk food advertising, obesity is causing a serious public health issue.

    Adults have to be allowed to make their own choices (within the law), as long as her qualifications (or lack there of) are clearly advertised I can't see how she could be refused to do a speaking tour. The pro vaccination camp just has to get better at advertising and promoting the benefit of vaccination (i.e. we are backed my science lol) to balance out people like this.

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    we have freedom of speech here ... and I fully support that.

    Even if what she is saying is complete garbage - I dont think we should deny her access just because we dont like it or agree with her.

    There are other ways to debunk what she is saying ... without denying her the rights which our country holds dear.

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