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    Quote Originally Posted by CazHazKidz View Post
    If friends and family didn't know she was pregnant, I guess that is possible, though I would think most women who were hiding pregnancy woudln't go to the hospital to give birth. And even IF no friends and family knew, the hospital staff did. Did she manage to hide her inner crazy so well that NOBODY noticed she was a threat to herself and her baby?
    With the Keli Lane case, she gave birth at the hospital and the midwives recorded that she was "happy with her baby girl" and breastfeeding.

    After 2 days, she left the hospital in a taxi with the baby and then attended a wedding that afternoon as though nothing had happened. From the trial it was found that she killed her baby sometime between leaving hospital and arriving at the wedding.

    Regarding hospital follow-up, I think she gave a fake address and phone number so they couldn't follow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    has there ever been any case of mums murdering their babies with no mental health issues?
    not being cheeky, seriously keen to know.
    Quote Originally Posted by CazHazKidz View Post
    I've got no empathy either, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to find excuses for her. There is NO excuse for attempting to kill your baby.
    As for the Mental Illness thing.... of course she is mentally ill? Anybody capable of such an atrocity is not all there in the mind. Fact. It's not an excuse... more like a reason. Doesn't change the fact that she's a monster, and what she's done is unforgiveable.
    If friends and family didn't know she was pregnant, I guess that is possible, though I would think most women who were hiding pregnancy woudln't go to the hospital to give birth. And even IF no friends and family knew, the hospital staff did. Did she manage to hide her inner crazy so well that NOBODY noticed she was a threat to herself and her baby?
    It's just scary to me that nobody spoke out for this little guy until he'd been in a drain for 5 days.
    I don't believe its possible for any adult to treat a baby so appallingly without mental illness being involved.

    The mother may have a severe dissociative disorder, psychosis, bipolar.. we don't know.

    But we do know that mentally healthy people do not go around tossing babies down stormwater drains.

    For what its worth, I think the same goes for any man in the same situation.

    Mentally healthy people do not attempt to murder babies.

    I find it extremely sad, both that a baby has suffered in this horrific way AND that so many people are so quick to judge a woman that is so clearly unwell.

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    I don't discount the idea of baby safe havens or hatches or whatever they are but to use one, the assumption is made that the person is thinking rationally. To leave a baby in a safe haven, hospital, police station wherever, all assumes rational actions are possible.
    Dumping a baby in a drain is not rational - when bub had been born in a hospital and authorities knew of his existence.
    I'm not jumping to the MI "excuse" here but either this person is incredibly unwell or they're the stupidest attempted murderer around. it makes no sense to me that the mother thought she'd just get away with it.
    I don't believe MI is an excuse. To me, it can be a reason for otherwise unthinkable acts.
    For the record, I don't think differently about dads who harm their children.
    I think this is incredibly sad and we'd all be better off (myself included) holding our judgement until more info is available.
    Every day that I wake up and hold DS I'm grateful for the loving support I received from friends and family, from the education and confidence I have that enabled me to articulate that something wasn't right and that I needed help and for my amazing DF who held me as I sobbed when I felt no attachment to DS and wondered in the early weeks if I'd made a huge mistake. To my DF who was my advocate in those darkest days and begged for help.
    I'm scared every day that those feelings might come back.
    So I'm not going to sit back and cast judgement on a situation I actually know very little about.
    She might be innocent or guilty
    She might be unwell or not
    She might have suffered horrific trauma getting pregnant or throughout her life or she might not.
    She might have been let down by the system or she might not.
    She might be a hideous cold blooded human or she might be just like us in many ways.

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    now that's some messed up sh!t right there. I guess no-one will probably ever know the real story of how, what, when, where or most of all why.
    Woman is messed up in the head, regardless of weather she has some sort of diagnosed mental illness or not, she's not right.
    I have noticed in some of the news stories that they say the baby is of Indian appearance, and they did notice an Indian man walking around the area at the time the baby was found. Probably just a coincidence, considering he had been dropped down there days before. Who knows.
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    First of all, I am SO elated that this bubba was found safe. I am trying to think of this story as a good news story as man it could have ended much differently. What a miracle.

    I am curious as to what internal turmoil and pain the mother was going through... A happy same person wouldn't do what she did.

    Now down to business: Yes I'm going to go there. Yes the mum should be given help, therapy, etc etc... However my top goal, above the rehabilitation of the mother, would be to protect the poor baby and future children of this woman.

    Sometimes therapy doesn't always work. Or partially works. Or works for a bit, then fails. In order to protect future bubbas the mother shouldn't be allowed to have kids unless a world class specialist says she's fully and permanently recovered and not a threat to future bubbas. How to implement this? Good question. Sterilisation isn't likely to be passed by parliament as a measure. Close monitoring (more than docs occasionally popping their head in... More formal like probation?) for as long as the mother is fertile is something I would like to see. And if there is any chance that the mother would break probation/move around and evade monitoring during her fertile years then the only other option (unless she has been cleared by a world class specialist) would be incarceration, possibly in a mental hospital. All while continuing to receive treatment of course.

    I'm not saying this as I don't have empathy for those with depression or mental illness (I do) . I just want to be 100% sure this never happens again. I shudder at what could have happened it the passerby didn't find that poor bubba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    Husband and friends didn't notice the pregnancies nor the craziness. She is in jail now.
    Husband must have either been mostly absent or a stubby short of a six pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Husband must have either been mostly absent or a stubby short of a six pack.
    Absent I think.
    And the family/friends said that she always had been chubby and wearing very lose outfits...

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    There are big differences between PND and post partum psychosis. In my experience there are few symptoms to indicate the psychosis until something big happens. I would prefer to believe MI caused this rather than evil intent. I hope this child has a happy life from here on in.

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    Just adding in that you can refuse follow up care from the hospital (i did) and if you live to far out from a hospital they don't offer it.

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    Released from hospital too soon. The mother clearly has mental issues and needs help.
    A horrible, heartbreaking story. I cannot understand how any parent could do this to their own child but as a person who suffers from a mental illness, sometimes we have no control over the way our mind works.


 

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