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    I'm not convinced Australians are outraged regarding DV. The stats have been bad for as long as I can recall. We know the stats, yet the stats just continue to get worse every decade. To me, that's not evidence in favour of Australian's being 'appalled'.

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    If thats the case then the publics reaction to this shouldnt be called out upon and put on the same level as this hideous woman. That offended me. Just because I believe something is wrong doesnt put me on the same level as a baby-killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooketobub View Post
    If thats the case then the publics reaction to this shouldnt be called out upon and put on the same level as this hideous woman. That offended me. Just because I believe something is wrong doesnt put me on the same level as a baby-killer.
    You misunderstood me.

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    Reminds me of the Jodi Picoult book "Plain Truth"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellewood View Post
    I'm appalled at the way the media have handled this story. Imo, it should not even be on the news. It's an awful situation but peoples reactions and attacks are just as vile!
    I disagree. There will never be social change/improvement if horrors like this aren't reported in the media. Politicians won't pass new laws unless their constituents are outraged. Outrage drives change. Cover ups don't. And being horrified at horrible stories is a normal reaction which plays an important part in that process.

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    I wonder what the father is thinking, and if he knows he actually has a child.

    If he does, and he wasn't part of the plan to dispose of this child, I hope that he is in a position to look after this child and love it more than anything in the world.

    I have no sympathy for this woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I disagree. There will never be social change/improvement if horrors like this aren't reported in the media. Politicians won't pass new laws unless their constituents are outraged. Outrage drives change. Cover ups don't. And being horrified at horrible stories is a normal reaction which plays an important part in that process.
    Well I disagree. I don't believe stories like this are common or even occur often enough to require 'social change'. A mother killing her child is not something we as a society need to cry social change over, because it is so rare and again, in my opinion, is an issue for trained professionals to deal with. The public really have no understanding of this situation and screaming about it helps absolutely nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellewood View Post
    I didn't say it's not awful nor did I suggest women should have a "get out if jail free card" @delirium!

    i just don't think it should be on the news and sensationalised. Why does the public need to know about this awful incident? If we do, then why isn't every awful incident involving infants/babies/children broadcast on TV?

    I don't see see why I should be called on my opinion regarding that.
    With respect, you criticise others opinions and call them vile, but say your opinions should not be questioned?

    When the news broke, the media and police did not know who the child was and who he belonged to. Much like using the media to ask for information on a kidnapped child I suspect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellewood View Post
    Well I disagree. I don't believe stories like this are common or even occur often enough to require 'social change'. A mother killing her child is not something we as a society need to cry social change over, because it is so rare and again, in my opinion, is an issue for trained professionals to deal with. The public really have no understanding of this situation and screaming about it helps absolutely nobody.
    Well a child down a drain is unique, but mothers that abuse their children, either passively (like this story) or actively is far from rare, and that's speaking from a professional POV. You would be shocked what parents do to their children. And yes some are mothers.

    I'm a bit shocked you say child abuse doesn't need social change yet say that no one cares about DV. The argument is inconsistent and lacks substance and really is a Strawman. Other opinions are just as valid as yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    With respect, you criticise others opinions and call them vile, but say your opinions should not be questioned?

    When the news broke, the media and police did not know who the child was and who he belonged to. Much like using the media to ask for information on a kidnapped child I suspect.



    Well a child down a drain is unique, but mothers that abuse their children, either passively (like this story) or actively is far from rare, and that's speaking from a professional POV. You would be shocked what parents do to their children. And yes some are mothers.

    I'm a bit shocked you say child abuse doesn't need social change yet say that no one cares about DV. The argument is inconsistent and lacks substance and really is a Strawman. Other opinions are just as valid as yours.
    I don't have time to reply right now but you have seriously put words in my mouth.

    And what argument? I did not call anyone's opinion vile either. Far out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellewood View Post
    Well I disagree. I don't believe stories like this are common or even occur often enough to require 'social change'. A mother killing her child is not something we as a society need to cry social change over, because it is so rare and again, in my opinion, is an issue for trained professionals to deal with. The public really have no understanding of this situation and screaming about it helps absolutely nobody.

    If this this story incites enough outrage for them to get these 'baby hatches' where women can give up their babies free from persecution and ONE baby ends up there instead of in a drain then I believe that yes, this is important.

    How many babies need to be dumped before you think the public has a right to care?

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