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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    But this is precisely why people need to be called out on cruel practices. Just because it's normal for those who do it doesn't make it right. I accept that animals are below humans in terms of life value but it comes back to (for me anyway) the way a human treats his or her lessers tells more about them than almost anything else. Just because we humans are more powerful and can slaughter a sheep that wakes up after having its throat slit doesn't make that person strong or brave. It just makes the method ********.
    Farmers/small business shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to annual cruelty. If they can't afford to kill humanely then tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I just want to say one thing. I recall when living in Melbourne during the severe droughts and after Black Saturday the Age showed so many pictures of animal farmers openly weeping over their lost stock, including one incredibly moving photo of a 50-odd year old farmer standing over a cow he had just had to shoot and balling his eyes out.
    But why was he crying? Because he has compassion and empathy for the poor animal or because he lost his livelihood? I'd presume the latter.

    There were studies done in Canada I think, where they looked at the communities surrounding abbatiors where the bulk of employees lived. Incidence of violent crime was much higher than other areas. Essentially it boiled down to the abbatior workers being so desensitised through their work (I.e taking life on a faily basis) and consequently being the perpetrators of rape, murder, and serious assaults.
    I think it makes sense really, how could murder on such a frequent basis not have adverse and long lasting implications?



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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestMoon View Post
    But why was he crying? Because he has compassion and empathy for the poor animal or because he lost his livelihood? I'd presume the latter.

    There were studies done in Canada I think, where they looked at the communities surrounding abbatiors where the bulk of employees lived. Incidence of violent crime was much higher than other areas. Essentially it boiled down to the abbatior workers being so desensitised through their work (I.e taking life on a faily basis) and consequently being the perpetrators of rape, murder, and serious assaults.
    I think it makes sense really, how could murder on such a frequent basis not have adverse and long lasting implications?



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    I'm sure the lack of livelihood was a factor. But his words were that no animal should have to suffer that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Farmers/small business shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to annual cruelty. If they can't afford to kill humanely then tough.
    Of course and as primary producers, we are held to high standards and go through accreditation processes that assess our practices. Could the industry be better? Absolutely and most farmers I know are working towards this. We want farming to have a good future in Australia and want our animals to have the best life and death possible. Well, I surely do - I can't speak for all farmers and I'm aware there are some dodgy ones around and that is why we should be put under scrutiny and have our practices questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Farmers/small business shouldn't get a free pass when it comes to annual cruelty. If they can't afford to kill humanely then tough.
    I'm sure all those small farmers trying to do the right thing will appreciate your sentiments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mama Mirabelle View Post
    It's not a marketing gimmick, it's a strategy for increasing customer share and profit margins.
    ...so it is a marketing 'strategy/gimmick'.



    "In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature."

    It appears that people who follow Islam and adhere to Halal/Haram have been able to survive for 1400 odd years without a certification stamp.
    ...this is why some people would refer to it as a 'gimmick'.

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    Oh and another reason why some people are a little wary of the AFIC is they have been in the news in the past for shifting funds...
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/terti...115-29esl.html

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    I live in a farming community which is mainly grains but there is livestock. The farmers do genuinely care for their animals beyond them equating to money. We had a spate of domesticated dogs killing and maiming livestock and the owners were devastated.

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    My uncle was a sheep and cattle farmer for the majority of his life. He hated seeing any animal suffer. It had very little to do with loss of income. Despite what some people think, the majority of livestock farmers are genuine, sympathetic people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    I'm sure all those small farmers trying to do the right thing will appreciate your sentiments.

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    I agree with miss kitty's post that most are doing the right thing. It's the likes of your father in laws practices that horrified me.


 

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