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    I can multi quote but wanted to add a few points about the way they kill halal animals. I am a vet and I regularly visit abattoirs. They stunning done has to be reversible so they are hit with a blunt probe in the front of the skull - it is instant and they are unconscious they then immediately have their throat slit the same as all other slaughter. If they didn't have their throat slit they would wake up after a period of time with a massive headache. Animals that are killed in non halal facilities can be stunned the same way, electrocuted or by a penetrating bolt into the brain stem.
    I can understand people not liking the idea of animals being killed in any manner, or being worried that they get their meat from a facility that doesn't stun their halal meat ( I don't know of any in my area), those sorts of opinions don't bother me at all.

    Want I don't get is this blanket dislike of all halal products, I feel like I'm getting to the bottom of it now. Sounds like it boils down to people not wanting to support a company that gives money to the certifiers because they believe (rightly or wrongly) that this money then gets funnelled overseas to fund terrorism.

    In which case I'm not sure I like the idea of halal food, but does the money really go overseas? And I realise no-one can answer that (although I did see a previous post that said where the money went, off to have another read).

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    This thread needs a trigger on it. Some of these descriptions are horrendous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Light View Post
    And again I ask.... do the Halal Certified companies pay for this certification or is the cost passed on to the consumer?
    This is the only thing I have come across online (regarding vegemite - as that seems to be in the spotlight at the moment, being "Aussie" an all that )
    Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding the use of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC) Halal certification symbol on our products.

    The AFIC symbol has been present on some of our products for some time now and we are proud to make products that can be enjoyed by people of different backgrounds, beliefs and ethnicity. We are also proud of locally manufacturing our products, many of which are exported to markets throughout South East Asia. Our export sales are an essential part of business, and crucial to preserving investment and employment at our manufacturing sites in Australia.

    One of the main reasons for the AFIC Halal symbol on our packaging is to assist people of Muslim faith, both here in Australia and across our export markets, to identify our products as including ingredients that meet their consumption requirements.

    Further, we wish to advise Vegemite does not contain any ingredients from animals and that the Halal certification also warrants that, in accordance with Islamic law, the yeast has been processed to ensure the product is alcohol free.

    The inclusion of the AFIC Halal symbol is not intended to offend any member of the public of any cultural or religious belief. We do not believe that it promotes one religion over another rather it simply provides people of Muslim faith with information about the food choices they make. Following other consumer inquiries, we have written formally to the AFIC in order to seek clarification on its business activities. In response, the AFIC provided us with verbal and written assurances that it is not engaged in unlawful activities. As such, we have confidence in AFIC as a reputable organisation. We pay a blanket administration fee that covers the certification of a number of our products. This cost is not a tax and is not attributed to a particular product or brand, therefore consumers don’t pay more for a Halal certified product versus a non-certified product.

    As a business, we are founded upon values of integrity and respect and take a strong stance against any individual or campaign promoting racism, bigotry and disrespect.

    We hope this addresses your questions and any concerns you might have. We produce products that bring joy and pleasure to millions of people across the world every day, and we look forward to continuing this tradition.




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    I think it would depend on the individual company and the way they run their business, what they consider overheads - marketing costs etc and what they deem appropriate to add to the cost of their products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarvestMoon View Post
    I think people have the wrong idea on why people avoid/don't like halal. I've never heard/seen anything relating it to terrorism or funds being sent overseas.
    Yes, I'm sure there are a few narrow minded amongst the mix that think there is truth in such claims but ultimately, the avoidance/dislike of such foods is from an animal welfare perspective. It's quite a brutal and unnecessary process to 'prepare' meat in such a way. Not that I eat meat, but if I did, I'd probably avoid halal certified meat for ethical reasons. As for other non meat products, I don't mind the halal certification as it somewhat indicates that a product is more likely to be vegan friendly. Personally I wish companies would adopt the vegan/vegetarian symbols as well. Surely it's another niche in the market worth appealing to?

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    Can I ask why halal might be considered vegan or vegetarian friendly? My sister says the same thing about halal and vegan food but I don't understand? They are 7th day Adventists and I know they can't eat pork and some other products but she is pretty close to vegan by choice and for health reasons.

    The reason I ask is because I would assume that a halal product may still contain animal products just not particular animals or parts. Or are the animal products that would be used the same ones that are not allowed under the halal certification?



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    Never mind I just read that animal by-products are a no no.
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    Why do the companies themselves have to have any involvement at all though? It is beyond me why any food manufacturer would be involved with any religious organisation (unless of course it is a marketing gimmick...). Couldn't the AFIC publish a list of Halal certified products for Muslim consumers???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    This thread needs a trigger on it. Some of these descriptions are horrendous.
    Very good point. I've reported it so hopefully a mod sees it soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    This thread needs a trigger on it. Some of these descriptions are horrendous.
    "A lot of people like to have a feast
    Not so many can stomach the killing"


    (from one of my fav Jack Johnson songs - Ones and Zeros)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Light View Post
    Why do the companies themselves have to have any involvement at all though? It is beyond me why any food manufacturer would be involved with any religious organisation (unless of course it is a marketing gimmick...). Couldn't the AFIC publish a list of Halal certified products for Muslim consumers???
    Marketing I guess - it would give the product a marketing edge within Muslim purchases.

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    Of course it is a marketing thing!

    It pretty much states that on the Halal Australia website (that I quoted a few posts ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    "A lot of people like to have a feast
    Not so many can stomach the killing"


    (from one of my fav Jack Johnson songs - Ones and Zeros)
    Couldn't agree more. But there is never any excuse for cruelty. Some of the descriptions border on people actually enjoying the torture of these animals.

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