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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    It's a commercial venture. At the end of the day some/most farmers need to make some money for their family. Live export of animals is a way to do so and keep the costs of labour down. Either the animals are killed here cheaply or sent over to be killed even cheaper. Plus with export I think the buyer/transporter has to deal with the costs of travel/feed/water etc.

    Do you guys realise how much banning life export has cost the nation? I understand some ppl are against it and that's their decision but I'd rather the ppl actually effected ie the farmers, traders, transporters etc make that decision. I know in qld and the NT a dairy few cattle farmers had to just slaughter a large amount of cattle as they couldn't afford to feed them once the practice was stopped.

    I know I'm going to get slammed for this but live export of animals doesn't upset me. I'd rather the agriculture industry finally make some decent money.
    I understand the economics but really I am reaching the point in my life where I just think money doesn't justify cruelty. I understand the repercussions of banning it, but it might take a decade but people would recover. Find something else to do or do what they always did differently.

    I can't wrap my head around an industry where animals are just killed because we have too many of them. Or where we wait for other countries to introduce humane practices.

    I realise my view is the minority. It's just an aspect of the industry I really dislike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    I'd rather the ppl actually effected ie the farmers, traders, transporters etc make that decision.

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    Yeah right... Leave the difficult decision in the hands of people who are more likely to be biased .. In the end they will vote with their wallets. If you want a moral decision made, the decision has got to be opened up to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I understand the economics but really I am reaching the point in my life where I just think money doesn't justify cruelty. I understand the repercussions of banning it, but it might take a decade but people would recover. Find something else to do or do what they always did differently.

    I can't wrap my head around an industry where animals are just killed because we have too many of them. Or where we wait for other countries to introduce humane practices.

    I realise my view is the minority. It's just an aspect of the industry I really dislike.
    Will you stop saying stuff that I agree with. It's really starting to worry me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yeah right... Leave the difficult decision in the hands of people who are more likely to be biased .. In the end they will vote with their wallets. If you want a moral decision made, the decision has got to be opened up to the masses.
    I was just about to come in and respond with this exact same thought.

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    DH practiced in an area of the law that parliament decided over 10 years ago to legislate out of existence. We moved to a new city where I could get earn more while he figured out what his next move was.

    It happens in life. It sux but you deal with it and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I understand the economics but really I am reaching the point in my life where I just think money doesn't justify cruelty. I understand the repercussions of banning it, but it might take a decade but people would recover. Find something else to do or do what they always did differently.

    I can't wrap my head around an industry where animals are just killed because we have too many of them. Or where we wait for other countries to introduce humane practices.

    I realise my view is the minority. It's just an aspect of the industry I really dislike.
    Your view really isn't in the minority - Me, as a farmer who is against live ex? That's a minority view. But, perhaps it's easy for me to be against it, because our sheep are both meat and wool varieties and we don't have that many. If live ex were banned tomorrow, it wouldn't destroy our farm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    I understand the economics but really I am reaching the point in my life where I just think money doesn't justify cruelty. I understand the repercussions of banning it, but it might take a decade but people would recover. Find something else to do or do what they always did differently.

    I can't wrap my head around an industry where animals are just killed because we have too many of them. Or where we wait for other countries to introduce humane practices.

    I realise my view is the minority. It's just an aspect of the industry I really dislike.
    I agree.

    I find the 'commercial venture' argument quite distressing as these aren't boxes of goods we're talking about they are living animals just like us, capable of feeling pain and fear and I feel we have a duty to care for them in a humane manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    DH practiced in an area of the law that parliament decided over 10 years ago to legislate out of existence. We moved to a new city where I could get earn more while he figured out what his next move was.

    It happens in life. It sux but you deal with it and move on.
    Sometimes you can't though. If you have a mortgage on a property somewhere like NT and they ban live export you are in ****. There is no abattoir in NT and no other use for your land. You can't just pick up and move because you can't afford to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Don't we just as a country take a stand and say no we won't be part of that.
    But it doesn't actually improve the welfare of animals. Just because we aren't sending our animals doesn't mean that these countries stop eating meat they just source it somewhere else and treat those animals the same. A lot of the time we can't just send meat instead of animals because they don't have refrigeration available. It's going to be a long slow process but I really hope we will see the end of it.

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    @amyd It would improve the lives of the animals living in Australia. I understand they would still source the animals elsewhere. I'd just be a little bit happier if it wasn't Australia.

    And yep not everyone can pack up and leave. So do we just keep supporting inhumane industries because it's tough on some families? There are many examples of industries where the government has removed tariffs or protection and yep people have suffered but 10 years later the industry has recovered. Or it's unsustainable and it dies.


 

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