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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    Iblcs do an awful lot of study and pro bono hours as part of their training. I can't believe you think they should be free? Would you object to paying for a physio or a masseuse?
    There are very few jobs available for them too so they go into private practice- it's their livelihood. You can sometimes claim it back on your health fund too. I would not expect anyone to study for a qualification then work for free. For me, I used the community LC so it was no cost. There are quite a few of them attached to hospitals and MCHN clinics in metro areas. I bought shields the other day for a friend, they were $12, bought my bras on sale and made my own bikkies. There are cheaper and better pumps out there too- not everything is a rip off. You don't have to join the ABA either- totally optional. You can still even ring their helpline for free if you aren't a member.
    But that aside, I still don't think it's a patch on the formula industry. Many people don't buy a pump or use an LC or shields or an SNS or supplements or any of that. There are people who just breastfeed and there is no money to be made from them. Formula feeding families are constantly buying formula for at least a year, often longer. If formula was allowed to be marketed, that's a constant purchase, you know?
    Sorry, yes you are right, ive used the word "free" out of context and while typing an emotive post with a young baby and toddler hanging off me. I retract my comment on that and agree that whilst it should not be free the cost of an IBCLC appt does need to be significantly reduced, especially as they are in the business of helping babies and mums to bf which should be prioritised over a profit.

    yes I have phi and was lucky to claim $100 off my consultation with an IBCLC. This was the maximum amount my health fund allows for. Unfortunetly, with the bf issues I have with attachment, I really need to see the *same* person at least every second day, (every third day at the absolute maximum) and obviously this is unattainable at $100 each subsequent visit. I have been saying for years that IBCLC should incur a medicare rebate. I really think desperate mums having access to an affordable and superior bf resource that an IBCLC is, would have significant benefits to raising the bf rates.

    I posted above my personal thoughts on the "free" options to see local LC through mchn clinics etc, I honestly think the quality of their advice and knowledge is no where near that of an IBCLC. As I birthed in a private hospital there is no outpatient LC facility, you are in the hands of the community post discharge. Due to my past history I was able to obtain 2 free mw home visits from the largest maternity hospital in my state. Let me say they were lovely ladies but one admitted "your bf problems are above my skills in this area" and the other one had never seen or heard of an sns which we were using at the time so obviously they we're of no help to me other than weighing my baby.

    Yes, I sourced the ABA hotline as well and spoke to anther lovely lady who could not believe the amount of issues I was facing and gave me her personal home number so if I wanted to call back I could talk to her and not have to explain my story over again with a completely new person.

    My post on bf being big business was purely in relation to the amount of "stuff" one may need in order to bf these days. Yes I know of a few mums personally who put bub to boob and away they went without so much as a few bras (I'm assuming lol) and some have an ABA membership obviously there choice to purchase.

    BUT when bf doesn't go to plan and "stuff" needs to be purchased, medical professionals need to be seen etc then the cost of bf is enormous as I can attest to. And that is where big companies are profiteering off breastfeeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Maybe they should be subsidised too? Some people actually need to do it, rather than choose to do it (not that I have any issues with anyone choosing to do it of course) I've got twins -one was on Lactose free- so that was around 45 a week...which is no small amount when you are at home with babies and not working...Hmmm
    I thought you could get scripts if bub needs special formula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    I thought you could get scripts if bub needs special formula?
    You can but it can be hard to prove they need it and you need to jump through hoops especially in the public system. I was spending $30 a week on a tin of formula for DS3 who has a mild CMPI, we tried for 3 months to get a script through the public system for neocate. Finally we got one and he was so far gone and in pain that he had started completely refusing to feed and needed to go to hospital. It was insane.

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    I've got to agree with Beebs. If the government are the ones who are the biggest promoters of breast is best, then they should be subsidising LCs absolutely.

    I'm having belly bub in a public hospital and in my orange pregnancy record pack, they had an ABA flyer included, nothing about formula at all. Some of the reasons / benefits to breastfeeding listed made me cringe, made me angry too.

    I received the same flyer with Dd and read it like it was gospel, like bf would be a no brainer - I had no concept of anyone having trouble bf, I always thought it was 100% a choice......this time, now I'm already a mum with my own breastfeeding and formula feeding journey, all I could think of was the first time mothers reading it, with the same naive mind I originally had, who could well be me or the many thousands of other mothers who can't or don't want to BF, already starting on a path to PND BEFORE even giving birth. It makes me really sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia View Post
    I would respectfully disagree. I got free LC help at the hospital, private LC was free with PHI and my MCHN gave me a card of an ILBC that was cheaper. Unfortunately bf help is not subsidised by Medicare so the fault lies with the govt. Pumps you can hire instead of buying, boobie bikkies are easy to make and most of the supplements/teas you can conjure out of your pantry stores.

    Yes it can be expensive but it doesn't have to be. LCs do have training and are specialists in their field. We don't deny other medical professionals their fees?

    It’s not easy to get into a free LC though. My daughter was losing weight and the free LC had a huge waiting list, not possible for a sick baby. So I spent $100 a go at a private one. I hired a pump rather than buying one, and even as an ABA member that cost me $25 a week.

    I didn’t really have an option…. Was I meant to wait weeks to see a free LC?

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    This falls into the 2% - if your bub has allergies or Eosinophilic esophaghitis then yes - if the mother has vasospasm, severe PND, attachment issues, bubs has tongue tie etc and basically everything else - then no, you can't - even for things like lactose intolerance you can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    I thought you could get scripts if bub needs special formula?

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    If formula was to be subsidised it would have to be universal. No one wants to have to go to a GP and explain why they need formula. Wasn't that floated by someone at some stage and there was an outcry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    They shouldn't be free, but they should be available under medicare, I'm surprised that you wouldn't agree? You want high breastfeeding rates, then help needs to be accessible for all- lots of people just couldn't afford 120 per session - no matter how desperately they wanted to breastfeed.
    Would be great if Medicare covered them- I was responding to a PP who implied they shouldn't charge for their services

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie Pallie View Post
    I've got to agree with Beebs. If the government are the ones who are the biggest promoters of breast is best, then they should be subsidising LCs absolutely.

    I'm having belly bub in a public hospital and in my orange pregnancy record pack, they had an ABA flyer included, nothing about formula at all. Some of the reasons / benefits to breastfeeding listed made me cringe, made me angry too.

    I received the same flyer with Dd and read it like it was gospel, like bf would be a no brainer - I had no concept of anyone having trouble bf, I always thought it was 100% a choice......this time, now I'm already a mum with my own breastfeeding and formula feeding journey, all I could think of was the first time mothers reading it, with the same naive mind I originally had, who could well be me or the many thousands of other mothers who can't or don't want to BF, already starting on a path to PND BEFORE even giving birth. It makes me really sad.
    It's not the government per se, it's the WHO code we are bound by- which is also why there is no formula flyer. I posted a link a page or two back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HopefulK View Post
    But getting back to the question on what types of support would be useful in helping women to bf for longer, having cheaper or subsidised access to things such as pumps, LCs, support/advice, etc, would help? Not everyone has PHI, not everyone's supply can be established or maintained without pumping, not everyone lives in an area which has the types of free community services that some have been fortunate enough to access.
    In answering this and also thinking out loud, the ABA are at the fore front of bf advocacy and a major support line for thousands of mums in our country. They're pretty damn good at handing out their glossy brochures and fridge magnets but I can't understand why they aren't on board with raising bf rates or even advocacy for more bf clinics post discharge.

    I can't understand why they keep thrusting the same information at mums which is bf benefits for mum and baby yada, yada, yada but without more support there aren't gonna be any more bf mums.

    Why can't they advocate and do something? This same situation has been going on for years with no further advancement.


 

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