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    @RedCreamingSoda I had my GP tell me to give up and formula feed because it's "the same" as breastmilk rather than address my supply problems or refer me to someone that could. I have no doubt women are pushed to breastfeed without much in the way of actual help- but I think it's also true that many are pushed to ff rather than to have their bf probs addres. Some for other reasons too (so dad can give a feed, so they gain more weight, so they sleep more, because so and so is uncomfortable etc etc)

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    Yup, this is something I can definitely relate to with my firstborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    I was referred to a rheumatologist by the LC at RPAH, vasopasm goes hand in hand with autoimmune diseases - but of course it doesn't always. Some people get it for no reason, I'm sure your doctor would have been keeping his eyes out for any signs.
    Not sure if I mentioned this in my previous post but my GP (I dumped my previous GP and moved to him largely due to his expertise in BFing) said it's associated with poor circulation. I noticed after a started doing regular exercise I no longer experienced them. Obviously I can't be sure if it was directly related though.

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    I agree with you to a degree, a lot of my guilt was internal as well -but it certainly made it 100 times worse when I met with judgement and rudeness from other people regarding formula feeding.
    The guilt part was all down to me but there was definitely anger and hurt from the unsupportive, ignorant and narrow minded comments I've read. The first post I ever reported stated something along the lines of "FF mums only do so, so they can drink alcohol". Later that day I was still fuming and burst into tears.

    Another time I had the urge to reach through the PC and throttle the person who said something to the effect of "I don't understand why women don't BF, let's face it, it's not hard if you really want to do it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atropos View Post
    . While I think it's fine to use formula ( bit hypocritical if I didn't lol) I also recognise it's big business.
    And bf hasn't turned into a million dollar industry? Lets think about it, IBCLC charging upwards of $120 to come and assist you to bf (um shouldn't they be providing a free or low cost service given they are at the forefront of the bf professionals, but no they attach a huge fee which is unattainable for some families to pay), plus size maternity bras retailing for $90, the big m brand selling pumps for upwards of $200, I bought a flimsy sns for $80 probs cost them $2 to make, shields arevaround $25, " boobie bikkies" from a renowned LC, books, magazine subscriptions, ABA membership fees, lactation teas and natural supplements I could go on and on.

    Bf has turned into big business and they are making money off something free, natural and the biological norm.

    Every mum has the right to bf and every baby has the right to receive breastmilk without the hefty price tag that comes with bf. Anyone else see this as unethical?

    (And I say all this as a mum who has literally spent countless $$$ trying to bf my kids. I spent over $500 in lactation consultant fees with my ds and with my dd, I have seen everyone from paeds to speech therapists to lcs etc to assess her mouth function).

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    Oh yeah bl00dy Pinky has made a fortune out of BFing! I also spend around $1000 on an LC and heaps on renting a pump, ABA membership and other stuff.

    I don't disagree that formula is a big business. But it's naive to think that BFing is "innocent" in that regard. I can't think of a more appropriate word!

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    Oh and those costs were for someone who BF for about 4 weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adeline14 View Post
    And bf hasn't turned into a million dollar industry? Lets think about it, IBCLC charging upwards of $120 to come and assist you to bf (um shouldn't they be providing a free or low cost service given they are at the forefront of the bf professionals, but no they attach a huge fee which is unattainable for some families to pay), plus size maternity bras retailing for $90, the big m brand selling pumps for upwards of $200, I bought a flimsy sns for $80 probs cost them $2 to make, shields arevaround $25, " boobie bikkies" from a renowned LC, books, magazine subscriptions, ABA membership fees, lactation teas and natural supplements I could go on and on.

    Bf has turned into big business and they are making money off something free, natural and the biological norm.

    Every mum has the right to bf and every baby has the right to receive breastmilk without the hefty price tag that comes with bf. Anyone else see this as unethical?

    (And I say all this as a mum who has literally spent countless $$$ trying to bf my kids. I spent over $500 in lactation consultant fees with my ds and with my dd, I have seen everyone from paeds to speech therapists to lcs etc to assess her mouth function).
    That's a very good point. I just sat down and added up all of the "stuff" I bought/hired in order to bf. I'm a bit embarrassed to say the figure I arrived at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adeline14 View Post
    And bf hasn't turned into a million dollar industry? Lets think about it, IBCLC charging upwards of $120 to come and assist you to bf (um shouldn't they be providing a free or low cost service given they are at the forefront of the bf professionals, but no they attach a huge fee which is unattainable for some families to pay), plus size maternity bras retailing for $90, the big m brand selling pumps for upwards of $200, I bought a flimsy sns for $80 probs cost them $2 to make, shields arevaround $25, " boobie bikkies" from a renowned LC, books, magazine subscriptions, ABA membership fees, lactation teas and natural supplements I could go on and on.

    Bf has turned into big business and they are making money off something free, natural and the biological norm.

    Every mum has the right to bf and every baby has the right to receive breastmilk without the hefty price tag that comes with bf. Anyone else see this as unethical?

    (And I say all this as a mum who has literally spent countless $$$ trying to bf my kids. I spent over $500 in lactation consultant fees with my ds and with my dd, I have seen everyone from paeds to speech therapists to lcs etc to assess her mouth function).
    I would respectfully disagree. I got free LC help at the hospital, private LC was free with PHI and my MCHN gave me a card of an ILBC that was cheaper. Unfortunately bf help is not subsidised by Medicare so the fault lies with the govt. Pumps you can hire instead of buying, boobie bikkies are easy to make and most of the supplements/teas you can conjure out of your pantry stores.

    Yes it can be expensive but it doesn't have to be. LCs do have training and are specialists in their field. We don't deny other medical professionals their fees?

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    You are very lucky to have received help from an LC for free.

    Of course nobody denies them their fees. It shouldn't be free. But neither should formula - the companies who make it need to be paid and make a profit out of it (as do the LCs). Such is life.

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    That is true, but - most often the poor circulation is due to an autoimmune diseases which is very common in women called Reynaud's- although as I mentioned before, you can have it without autoimmune diseases - but it is deffo considered a red flag for further investigation.

    Re the comments on BH - heck yeah - I've read some shockers, I remember a particular poster who doesn't come here much told me I didn't try hard enough and didn't care enough and that if I wanted to I cold have sourced donor milk, this was when I was recovering from a c.section with twins - with a uterus infection and no car and already had a toddler - she actually said if I really cared I would have sourced donor milk!

    Quote Originally Posted by Busy-Bee View Post
    Not sure if I mentioned this in my previous post but my GP (I dumped my previous GP and moved to him largely due to his expertise in BFing) said it's associated with poor circulation. I noticed after a started doing regular exercise I no longer experienced them. Obviously I can't be sure if it was directly related though.



    The guilt part was all down to me but there was definitely anger and hurt from the unsupportive, ignorant and narrow minded comments I've read. The first post I ever reported stated something along the lines of "FF mums only do so, so they can drink alcohol". Later that day I was still fuming and burst into tears.

    Another time I had the urge to reach through the PC and throttle the person who said something to the effect of "I don't understand why women don't BF, let's face it, it's not hard if you really want to do it".

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